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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349692 There are a disturbing number of people saying they sacrificed their social lives, friends and girlfriends. This shit happens to video games players, regardless of whether you're playing competitively to improve or you're playing a MMO. But I realize this is almost off topic since the author oddly focused on progamers rather than the legitimate broader issue of video game addiction. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
MarineKing's competitor was DarKFoRce, from Germany, whose oily hair and sleep-deprived face made him look like the American stereotype of an obsessed video game player. What the hell is that? I had to laugh.....but why did CNN have to say that? Seriously? What media manipulation... | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Oh god, korea is total loser-ville. These aren't men and never will be. Just pathetic little boys addicted to video games. It's great to want to be good at something, but chasing a pro career in video games is just a bit pathetic. And what happens once starcraft is an old game? All those hours and time spent playing, for absolutely nothing. No real-world gains. No real-world wisdom, lessons, experience, or anything. But there will always be the next video game to master - it's just you don't have to grow as a person whatsoever to master it. Such a narrow, pointless existence It doesn't matter how much money these freaks make playing video games. They have already forfeited their humanity. They are evolutionary losers. They will never reproduce. They are invisible to me. I see right through them. Some quotes from the comments, just minutes apart... Anyone else get completely disappointed in humanity (I know, cliche) when reading comments like these (which are the majority there)? I can't help but feel just... yeah, disappointed is the right word, but something more extreme, like disappointed x 1000 and can't bear to read any more. I hope they're trolls, for their sake. Also, terrible terrible article, and then the author tries to act like he wants to support the scene in the comments. Terrible. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
Are you playing the game "for fun" for 14 hours (or anything more than 3 hours IMO) a day OR are you doing that "for work"? If you are playing Starcraft as a job you will have - most likely - stopped most of the fun feeling for it and play because you have to improve yourself. That would be quite acceptable ... if many of the korean kids werent teenagers / minors. I hope Korea has laws against child labour too. The problem is that you can too easily declare playing Starcraft as "for fun" and that's where it gets bad, because you are kinda deluding yourself. The addiction starts when you just play for fun AND you do it for too many hours. "Too many" is a rather flexible term, but a child has to learn certain things during its teens and developing social skills is one of them. You can only do that with real people face-to-face and thus you have to "go out and meet them". Computer kids have a tendency to stay home - which is very practical for the parents - and only meet people online. You dont learn to recognize emotions in others online and that is something very important. Thus playing computer (any game) for too long as a kid/teenager is BAD. Please dont make any comparisons with real sports, because it isnt possible to play them for as long as you can play computer games. | ||
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LordOfDabu
United States391 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:12 dynwar7 wrote: + Show Spoiler + MarineKing's competitor was DarKFoRce, from Germany, whose oily hair and sleep-deprived face made him look like the American stereotype of an obsessed video game player. What the hell is that? I had to laugh.....but why did CNN have to say that? Seriously? What media manipulation... Thank god Nony wasn't playing MKP. The reporters head would fucking explode trying to find a way to insult that handsome man. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:12 dynwar7 wrote: + Show Spoiler + MarineKing's competitor was DarKFoRce, from Germany, whose oily hair and sleep-deprived face made him look like the American stereotype of an obsessed video game player. What the hell is that? I had to laugh.....but why did CNN have to say that? Seriously? What media manipulation... this comment alone made me lose all my respect for CNN, what a disgrace... | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 06 2012 16:26 Kaitokid wrote: this comment alone made me lose all my respect for CNN, what a disgrace... CNN went down the tubes sometime in the early 2000s, even though it's still probably the most respectable US news source for international audiences... which says something. | ||
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Sutekhy
43 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:38 Rad wrote: Some quotes from the comments, just minutes apart... Anyone else get completely disappointed in humanity (I know, cliche) when reading comments like these (which are the majority there)? I can't help but feel just... yeah, disappointed is the right word, but something more extreme, like disappointed x 1000 and can't bear to read any more. I hope they're trolls, for their sake. Also, terrible terrible article, and then the author tries to act like he wants to support the scene in the comments. Terrible. The majority of people commenting on news articles such as these are just people that have long since removed themselves from the company of sane normal people and breach in to the realm of unwarranted hatred. It's not just this way on an e-sports article. These comments are everywhere on every article. You read an article about an up and coming sports player who went through trouble and the comments read right along those lines. Don't invest too much thought in to what 10-20 random assholes think on the internet. | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:34 Executor1 wrote: Comments like this highlight the stigma around video games. So video games aren't "normal" stuff?. I dont know any males that are between the ages of 15-30 that dont play video games to some extent (be it a little or alot) sounds pretty normal to me. Not to mention with the rise of mobile gaming that number is becoming even greater and as mobile games get more complex the difference between conventional and mobile gaming is becoming less obvious. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Cant you read the guys post that I quoted, its about addiction and yes, video game addiction is basically one of the worst addictions. I have an easy question, which one would you choose? Your son/daughter practices a sport 10 hours per day. Your son/daughter studies on his/her classes 10 hours per day. Your son/daughter plays videogames 10 hours per day. Although the first 2 options are not that pleasant either, most of the people will pick 1st or 2nd option, only some video game addicts will go for 3rd. | ||
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
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JeanLuc
Canada377 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:38 Rad wrote: Some quotes from the comments, just minutes apart... Anyone else get completely disappointed in humanity (I know, cliche) when reading comments like these (which are the majority there)? I can't help but feel just... yeah, disappointed is the right word, but something more extreme, like disappointed x 1000 and can't bear to read any more. I hope they're trolls, for their sake. Also, terrible terrible article, and then the author tries to act like he wants to support the scene in the comments. Terrible. I totally sympathize with you here. Moments like these make me grieve for humanity. Just take comfort in the fact that in the future esports will be respected a lot more imo. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
I thought dutch news was bad :D. | ||
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FrosTByTe11
United States21 Posts
I believe there are such things as gaming addiction, but the article misrepresented the difference between addiction and striving for excellence. Therefore, I don't believe Marineking was really hiding anything to his parents when he was playing a lot of games or in the author's word, distinguishing himself from the dark side of gaming by playing in the WCG, because he was already trying to get better to try and establish his career as a progamer. In order to become the greatest programer or really anything else for that matter, one must dedicate themselves to work hard to reach that goal and that's where you will see that 10+ hour commitment to a single video game. In fact, some progamers don't see themselves playing video game, but they see it as their work. So therefore, comparing gaming addiction to competitive playing is not really a good comparison because that's like saying people who go to work for 10+ hours must have working addiction. Some say that playing Starcraft is not comparable to real sports as people who play real sports don't practice that long. Well, I do beg to differ from that opinion. A person might not be playing a game of basketball, football, or baseball all the time, but they do spend a lot of hours drilling, working out, stretching, watching game footage to improve oneself. The same can be said for competitive programers. They don't just play the game for hours on straight, but they watch replays, they workout to improve their mentality, they practice different build orders, they practice micro/macro, and they discuss strategies to improve themselves mentally and physically for the game. If you compare practice of real sports in a professional setting and compare practice of video games of professional setting, you would see that they are about the same amount of time, roughly around 6-8 hours or so. To be reasonable, the point of view the author is trying to make is not to confuse the two and although some of the depictions from the article is quite erroneous, he did try to make an attempt by distinguishing the difference in Marineking's setting and a gaming addict's setting. He described WCG and just a normal PC bang, and the author distinguished the game that Marineking is playing and the game that the addict is playing. He also distinguished the goals of each gamer and used that to make an argument. Unfortunately, in the actual article, competing to win and addiction is all jammed into one page called "gaming addiction". To me, that just destroyed whatever point the author was trying to make about competitive gaming and making the entire story viewed in a negative light of addiction. If he really wanted to showcase the difference between the two, why didn't he make another tab called "gaming and sports/competition". I would not have disagreed with the article provided that they would separate these two because you can't compare apples to oranges. While the similarity is apparent (playing video games for a long period of time), the actual difference between the two is, I believe, tremendous. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:38 Rad wrote: Some quotes from the comments, just minutes apart... Anyone else get completely disappointed in humanity (I know, cliche) when reading comments like these (which are the majority there)? I can't help but feel just... yeah, disappointed is the right word, but something more extreme, like disappointed x 1000 and can't bear to read any more. I hope they're trolls, for their sake. Also, terrible terrible article, and then the author tries to act like he wants to support the scene in the comments. Terrible. These comments come from people that hate things they don't know about. I wouldn't be surprised if they were rooting for their favourite soccer or tennis player. After all you get don't get more real-world wisdom, lessons, experience by playing tennis or soccer (imo). | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On August 05 2012 16:08 Bagration wrote: What did you expect this article to be like? To most people in the US, the concept of competitive gaming is very alien, and most people's initial reaction would be something along the lines of "what the hell". I expected the article to have journalistic integrity, I expected the journalist to study the subject of his/her article in-depth, in order to give an informed overview, instead of writing sensationalist schlock looking to make a quick buck off the ignorance-based fears of the mainstream reader. Okay, I can't keep writing that with a straight face. It's CNN, of course I didn't expect them to have any standards whatsoever. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
Wow, such an interesting story. I feel so sorry for MKP, he had a tough childhood. Moving story also | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
I have an easy question, which one would you choose? Your son/daughter practices a sport 10 hours per day. Your son/daughter studies on his/her classes 10 hours per day. Your son/daughter plays videogames 10 hours per day. Although the first 2 options are not that pleasant either, most of the people will pick 1st or 2nd option, only some video game addicts will go for 3rd. Not a very hard question indeed. In the first option, it all depends on the sport but the second one is clearly the worst. Unless we're talking about University, it's fairly astonishing and sad that one could study for 10 hours a day. Thank god Nony wasn't playing MKP. The reporters head would fucking explode trying to find a way to insult that handsome man. Makes you wonder why they chose to show the beauteous Tasteless while introducing him as an ex-progamer. Which debatable, but that's what the viewer will think anyway. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On August 06 2012 12:31 Doodsmack wrote: While the author may have missed the mark as far as his portrayal of progamers as addicts, I think if the article focused on the topic of video game addiction in general (that is, among the general gaming public rather than progamers) it would be more valid. It's quite clear to me that video game addiction is a real thing. And no you can't call a football or basketball hobby just as addictive as video games. There aren't many people playing baskeball for 14 hours a day, but there are definitely people doing that with video games. Just look at some of the quotes from this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349692 There are a disturbing number of people saying they sacrificed their social lives, friends and girlfriends. This shit happens to video games players, regardless of whether you're playing competitively to improve or you're playing a MMO. But I realize this is almost off topic since the author oddly focused on progamers rather than the legitimate broader issue of video game addiction. When all the world is trying to tell you that we're all doomed, everything is going to shit, scientists are ignored in favour of political bullcrap, democracy changes nothing, oh and by the way forget ever trying to get a job you enjoy because they're all being exported elsewhere... Does anyone wonder why people get addicted to video games, which offer a real iterative sense of purpose? The mass media is trying to drill youth into the ground and has been doing so for 30 years. I don't blame anyone that retreats into the cocoon of World of Warcraft for half of their youth. | ||
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