EPTEpm Versus Apm, what the difference? - Page 4
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AcrosstheSky
United States237 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
I wish somebody would make the APM number represent an actual EARTH minute.... | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:12 JDub wrote: Not true. Continuously cycling through your control groups is actually very important (it is a key part of macroing well). Right-click spamming, on the other hand, is the worst kind of spamming you can do (it hurts your macro and multi-tasking to spam clicks instead of being precise). Click spamming counts in both EPM and APM, whereas control group cycling only counts in APM. Both are not very useful, but EPM is even more worthless than APM. Looks like Blizzard got EPM and APM mixed up in their system, and hopefully it gets fixed soon. EPM, not the mistaken system that Blizzard is using right now but the actual number of efficient actions, is more important. It is what makes players with relatively low APM like Sjow and Goody competitive, and what makes Flash untouchable in BW. | ||
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TheV
Brazil107 Posts
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YehOfCourseImOP
United Kingdom23 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:14 Diamond wrote: Just tested it in game. APM = EPM EPM = APM I passed this on too, good patch by blizz, everything is broken or backwards. I realised this too so I came too see if anyone had posted it yet, good spot  | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
APM=EPM EPM=APM | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
Effective would make so much more sense... | ||
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Aela
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:58 Agamo wrote: Im just asking the difference, and which one is more important and which one i should be paying attention to. I am a gold level player with 80 ish apm and 88ish epm nad am very confused about it after new patch Thanks! Neither because blizzard is attempting to equalize them, so that someone like you or me only plays a few less APM than a pro player because the extra actions that a pro player takes will not be counted because they're "spam." Just in general though from what I think i recall some korean pro had like 150, so you could probably pick it up quite a bit. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
I just use SC2gears anyway. It's APM values have always been consistent, the way it calculates what APM is "effective" is far more sensible, and you can even swap between "game time" APM and "real time" APM at your leisure. :: USE SC2GEARS IT IS GREAT :: On February 22 2012 16:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: I wish somebody would make the APM number represent an actual EARTH minute.... SC2Gears can do this. | ||
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Maniak_
France305 Posts
On February 23 2012 01:40 CruiseR wrote: I have a question: does the now APM (or EPM- i see it's messed up - i mean the higher one) shows the real APM? So we don't have to multiply it by 1,3 (cuz of faster speed) to get the real APM ? Nope. Fixing the "game time != real time" problem is still in the "yeah we know... we'll try to do something about it" basket in which browder put it at blizzcon 2011. Hopefully it will be fixed in HotS and hopefully most of the devs are working on it instead of on patches for WoL. That's the only thing I can think of to explain the botched up job of the 1.4.3 patch release. Not sure I believe it though :/ I mean... nearly 4 months since 1.4.2, 3 balance changes, a half release on NA with battle.net not fully updated causing the phoenix upgrade to not be available in ladder games and now this. Inverting APM and EAPM is minor but still... do they outsource QA to CS players? | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On February 23 2012 01:40 CruiseR wrote: I have a question: does the now APM (or EPM- i see it's messed up - i mean the higher one) shows the real APM? So we don't have to multiply it by 1,3 (cuz of faster speed) to get the real APM ? Why do people even care about this? It's just a number... What difference does it make if it shows how many clicks you made in 45 seconds or in 60?? In the end, everyone is being compared by the same standard, if yours is 200 and someone else's is 100, congrats, you're faster, what difference does it make if it's a minute or 45 seconds or 30 seconds? | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
I am a gold level player with 80 ish apm and 88ish epm nad am very confused about it after new patch 80 ish apm 88ish epm ...how the? :o | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:12 HaXXspetten wrote: ...how the? :o EPM = APM APM = CPM | ||
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
How that other number comes to be though, I have no effing idea, all I know is that it somehow filters out actions to ensure that a masters player can have the same "apm" as a silver league player. I love how they brought back real APM after people bitched about their stupid new shit and yet they mess up the name and it's still not real apm, good thing sc2gears exists. | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:10 sitromit wrote: Why do people even care about this? It's just a number... What difference does it make if it shows how many clicks you made in 45 seconds or in 60?? In the end, everyone is being compared by the same standard, if yours is 200 and someone else's is 100, congrats, you're faster, what difference does it make if it's a minute or 45 seconds or 30 seconds? i do care, because i would want to know if im faster or slower than 10 years ago when i was playing broodwar | ||
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ThomasHobbes
United States197 Posts
On February 23 2012 02:22 Aela wrote: EffectiveAPM should be the thing to look for. Look at ViBEs APM last year... he had like 400 but it was not because he was fast, it was because he was SPAMMING like crazy. With EAPM spamming doesn't count. Spamming is often beneficial and sometimes necessary. Eapm is flawed on a count of its arbitrary nature. | ||
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