EPTEpm Versus Apm, what the difference? - Page 7
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:55 Perseverance wrote: You really don't need to worry about this until you get into Masters league : / FALSE!!! GoOdy and Sjow are two of the slowest players that are Pro. They are way slower than most Diamond players, yet they are pro! | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On March 02 2012 10:01 carloselcoco wrote: FALSE!!! GoOdy and Sjow are two of the slowest players that are Pro. They are way slower than most Diamond players, yet they are pro! actually they both are fast compared to elfi lol | ||
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Ghoststrikes
Canada1356 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:55 Josh_rakoons wrote: WHY DO WE NEED 2 BILLION THREADS ABOUT A RIDICULOUS USELESS UNIT THAT DOESNT MATTER. Please. Stop. Making. These. APM's a unit now. More news at 10 | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 02 2012 10:01 carloselcoco wrote: FALSE!!! GoOdy and Sjow are two of the slowest players that are Pro. They are way slower than most Diamond players, yet they are pro! Goody and Sjow are way above Master level. You didn't really counter his statement.  | ||
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Qwyn
United States2781 Posts
I don't understand why they don't just remove EPM. After all, it is a useless metric for the most part, IMO. | ||
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
I don't understand why they don't just remove EPM isn't EPM new in this patch?...... | ||
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Ghoststrikes
Canada1356 Posts
On March 02 2012 10:18 cactusjack914 wrote: isn't EPM new in this patch?...... It's new that they call it like that, but the old (well not all the way old like maybe a year old) APM was already EPM, not counting successive selections as different actions | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On March 02 2012 10:14 Bagration wrote: Goody and Sjow are way above Master level. You didn't really counter his statement. Nope! You just did not get my statement at all. GoOdy and Sjow have extremely low APM. Their APM is lower than most Diamond players. Their skill is top notch though. Sjow has even competed in the GSL!!! On March 02 2012 10:02 kongoline wrote: actually they both are fast compared to elfi lol True! xD | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
Well at least that is how its supposed to work, but Blizzard messed it up and EPM is actually APM and vice versa. And I heavily disagreed with the EPM, since all actions are actually important and the pros utilize them to the best of their ability. Contrary to what a lot of people may thing, APM actually does matter and it is a way to distinguish one player form another. However macro, mechanics, multi-tasking, micro and decision making all have higher priority, improving one of those will generally show greater results that trying to improve APM. However, when everything else is equal APM can be a decisive factor. Sjow and GoOdy, while they might have APM comparable to Diamond level players, if they have good macro, mechanics, build orders and micro and decision making they are way above Diamond. They also can have higher precision than Diamond players, raising their overall efficiency. However SC2 at its highest level is reaching the point where people need the extra APM. While people cite Sjow and GoOdy as good examples of slow pro players, you must remember that, they actually are somewhat inconsistent, and don't win much now outside some local events. While they are good players, I don't really see them as favorites to ever win big European or international tournaments like ASUS ROG, Dreamhack, MLG, IPL etc, when other players come with comparable decision making, mechanics, macro, micro, but way higher APM and multi-tasking. Multi-tasking is heavily related to APM | ||
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tOybOx
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
actions per minute sounds like a unit of measurement to me .... | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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cassurai
Singapore307 Posts
You guys are confusing the hell out of the new players here. | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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LWspikE
6 Posts
If this is the case, where you do not know what to do and as such it takes you longer to make decisions and thus convert them into active commands which are recorded in your apm/epm/ectectect you need to focus on KNOWING WHAT TO DO, if you don't figure this out your apm will remain low (unless you begin spamming which won't actually help you but will hinder your performance). As an example, I am a rank 1 bronze player currently versing silvers and the occasional gold, my apm is 70ish on average. I have seen my apm go up to 200 legitally without any form of spam, just solid micro and macro. What this tells me is my hand movement can potentially reach up to 200 apm legitally (perhaps more who knows). If this is so why isn't my macro 200ish then? well because I can't think of 200 things to do a second in sc2, I just don't know the game that well that I can come up with 200 different actions that are required for me to be successful. Also I forget to macro and have a constant production ect. So to improve my apm, I like many others need to LEARN WHAT TO DO AT ALL TIMES, HAVE PLANS, INITIATE PLANS, THINK QUICKER. basically if your hands can keep up with your mind your fine, if they can't then you need to work on your hands. It's the old saying your only as good as your slowest person. Is it your hands or your mind? figure it out  | ||
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taitanik
Latvia231 Posts
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
And please stop saying "you don't have to worry until you get to Master's." TBH, APM is as irrelevant a stat throughout the leagues, and your APM doesn't separate a 1500 Master player from a NA Grandmaster any more than it separates a Top8 Silver player from a Rank 88 Plat. If anything, it is more useful at the lower levels to see that your multitasking is getting more and more effective. I've found that the games where my mechanics, decision-making, and game sense were most clutch are also the ones where my average APM was highest, and when I see my average APM hit the 100s in a macro game, I feel accomplished and reassured that I was able to multitask at the diamond level when I'm a measly gold. | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
On March 02 2012 10:01 carloselcoco wrote: FALSE!!! GoOdy and Sjow are two of the slowest players that are Pro. They are way slower than most Diamond players, yet they are pro! Well, even though they are slow they are still faster than diamond players. They make sure to get everything done and dont spam a lot. | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On March 03 2012 19:54 Biggun69 wrote: Well, even though they are slow they are still faster than diamond players. They make sure to get everything done and dont spam a lot. Teehee, spamalot. Also, your timing sense comes into play. Some people have very well developed short-term time sense. This means that one Terran doesn't have to cycle through production facilities as fast as another to be as effective. Some people just have a mental clock developed that can go, "It's been about 15 seconds, I should check my CC/rax/factory/whathaveyou." This leads to lower APMs, simply because tapping isn't as crucial in macro stages of the game. | ||
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