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Epm Versus Apm, what the difference? - Page 5
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On February 23 2012 03:37 CruiseR wrote: i do care, because i would want to know if im faster or slower than 10 years ago when i was playing broodwar But broodwar's APM has always been bogus. Some actions were never counted while in other cases the system generated 3 action by clicking a button once (i.e. morphing lava). You can not even accurately compare broodwar races to another. And you certainly can not compare BW to SC2 APMs by direct number. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
APM now seems to be counting unique actions, the same number it was basically before the patch. Both to me still seem to be calculating in "blizzard" minutes. I could be way off, but that is what I've concluded. I'm going with EPM right now as what I care about, and keeping it in my mind that compared to BW it would be a bit higher because of the blizzard min. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46663 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:40 MichaelDonovan wrote: APBM - Actions per Blizzard minute APBMUTNPCSLD... Actions Per Blizzard Minute Until The Next Patch Changes Some Little Detail. OP, I wouldn't worry about the new definitions of any of the terms. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:16 Barrin wrote: I'm so confused Blizzard... I think I'll just use SC2Gears. The solution from the very beginning  | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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Tal0n
United States175 Posts
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
I don't get what the fuck blizz is doing | ||
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:03 oxxo wrote: Neither matters. If your hands can do what your mind wants then your apm is enough. If it can't then it isn't. This honestly made me lol! I think you got it backward... In sc2, if your hands can do everything your mind wants, then you probably don't understand the game enough (or should try to think faster and be more aware). No matter how pro you are, there is always something more you could do with a little more apm. The easy exemple is just microing your units. Check the bots with 10000+ apm and tell me you don't wish your hands were faster! Basically, I don't think you should ever feel in a confort zone while playing this game. You should always be striving to do more, as fast as you can. There are no limits! | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:08 Bommes wrote: What, I don't get it. I think cycling through my buildings is far more effective use of APM than just clicking on a spot 20 times for a move command, you have to see when your units finish, when your upgrades finish etc. Why do they even put stuff like this in, wth is this? The only thing they achieve with this is to make it overly complicated for every new player who has no idea what APM or EAPM means, also its so much confusion if you compare your APM with other players lol That's exactly why everyone raged about this like two months ago when the change was implemented... D: And the fact that things are just bassackwards this patch isn't helping Blizzard's cred. As /r/starcraft said, it's just something that's become isoteric and stupidly overcomplicated. BW APM, I miss thee: and I didn't even play BW. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
To those getting on blizzard's back, you should realize how lucky you are that blizz is patching the game at all. So many companies out there (Electronic Arts to name one) just release, suck the money out, and leave the game. | ||
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NeoSunny
United States31 Posts
APM and EAPM meant a lot in SC1 because it's not easy to 1a2a3a4a5z6z7d8d9p0p while sending workers to mine since the game didn't do it for you and moving 3-4 obs around the map since you didn't have naga towers. So how fast you can do that is impressive. Now in SC2 to me, APM to an extent means almost nothing because 1a2a3a4z6e is so much easier to do, workers mine automatically, control two towers and you see the whole map, so there isn't as much action and micro and multi-task happening in sc2, you don't need to be as fast, so thats why I think it doesn't mean anything in SC2.. Nothing wrong with that, this isn't a "diss" on sc2 or anything. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On February 23 2012 06:08 Tal0n wrote: pick either value and use that as a measure of your improvement. blizzard has put a lot of thought into their new apm; you can be sure its reliable. Do you actually understand how the new "APM" works? You couldn't be more wrong here. | ||
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XanDz
United States2 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:04 K3Nyy wrote: EPM is efficient APM. Takes out some of the spam out but still an arbitrary way to define what is efficient or not. I agree with this. Actions that are contributing to any beneficial progress should be self-eveident in the gameplay. The APM/EPM numbers are just to quantify the speed at which these actions are being performed. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:38 XanDz wrote: I agree with this. Actions that are contributing to any beneficial progress should be self-eveident in the gameplay. The APM/EPM numbers are just to quantify the speed at which these actions are being performed. The confusion is that everyone's EPM right now is the higher number than APM. So right now, it is actually reversed where EPM is giving what you'd expect with APM and APM is giving what you'd expect with EPM. I just sprained my brain. | ||
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