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dwrmaievy
Profile Joined January 2012
Russian Federation13 Posts
February 22 2012 06:07 GMT
#41
I've just tested and my EPM = 88, APM = 80, how could it be?
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
February 22 2012 06:08 GMT
#42
EPM is the effective actions per minute, implying all the spam and redundant actions do not count
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
February 22 2012 06:09 GMT
#43
If you can micro a probe in the opponent's base and macro at the same time, you're fine.
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Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
February 22 2012 06:26 GMT
#44
they got it backwards... so dumb
ThatGuyDoMo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia516 Posts
February 22 2012 06:30 GMT
#45
Yea not really a big deal, they just take out spam clicks etc.

EXAMPLE

Using sc2gears, one of my games i had 115 blizzard APM but 203 normal APM

that be crazy
deo1
Profile Joined April 2010
United States199 Posts
February 22 2012 06:36 GMT
#46
Blizzard has exhibited a fundamental lack of understanding towards APM from the beginning. How intelligent developers at Blizzard with likely strong math backgrounds can fail to understand such a simple concept boggles me to no end. From the initial implementation of APM as AP45seconds to the EPM fiasco where they just fukin say whoop-de-do I'll define this standard however I want (and actually filter valid actions) to now getting the two SWITCHED in the shipping patch... it's beyond me.
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Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
February 22 2012 06:39 GMT
#47
It was the same here. I just played a game to test it and i spammed a lot, and my EAPM was higher than my APM. What the ? Shouldn't it be the other way around where APM measures every click (spam) that i do and EAPM doesnt? Yet my APM was lower than my EAPM?!
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DarKcS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1237 Posts
February 22 2012 06:43 GMT
#48
Weird. I played a game on patch, checked APM. It was showing properly, APM was higher than EPM, like in the old days.
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mumming
Profile Joined June 2010
Faroe Islands256 Posts
February 22 2012 06:53 GMT
#49
Im playing with patch now on eu. I have like 150 epm and 90 apm. I think they mixed it up..
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
February 22 2012 06:55 GMT
#50
On February 22 2012 07:14 Diamond wrote:
Just tested it in game.

APM = EPM
EPM = APM

I passed this on too, good patch by blizz, everything is broken or backwards.


Complete fail from Blizzard! Please PTR patches in the future.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
February 22 2012 06:55 GMT
#51
Actions Per minute means how many buttons / key strokes you do per minute.

EPM is something different and both are not in sc2
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ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
February 22 2012 07:05 GMT
#52
Guys remember the good old times where your APM was your actual APM and not some made up number by Blizzard?
blackberry_
Profile Joined September 2011
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 07:13:56
February 22 2012 07:13 GMT
#53
The current APM only counts actual commands. The EPM (Effective Actions per Minute) counts everything. Blizzard got it backwards, lulz.

On February 22 2012 07:14 Diamond wrote:
Just tested it in game.

APM = EPM
EPM = APM

I passed this on too, good patch by blizz, everything is broken or backwards.


Pretty much this.
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Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2347 Posts
February 22 2012 07:13 GMT
#54
On February 22 2012 07:17 Eatme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 07:09 Kimaker wrote:
On February 22 2012 07:03 Agamo wrote:
On February 22 2012 07:01 Diamond wrote:
How do you have a higher EAPM then actual APM?


Thats exactly what i was wondering, i thought apm was just clicking and every action you do(like original) and Eapm was actions that are effective negating spam(just before this patch)

Blizzard has fucked apm up so much it doesn't make a difference. It's hardly useful anymore in either form.

Yeah, I'm on eu so no patch yet and the current form of apm count I can have 120-130 blizz eapm thingy and SC2gears has it at 80-90 or so. I guess the latter dont count mindless move spam for no reason. Also blizz apm counters are based on when you start to spam/play fast so with the current settings I get wayy higher if I go for some early ling play compared for roaches or whatever. Adding to all this blizzards time setting is still wrong.
I still have to say normal JCA APM is the real thing since double tapping to move cam, checking up on building and upgrade progression ect is not counted as useful.

Sc2gears APM is the "normal JCA APM". APM in Sc2gears does not exclude any spam actions. EAPM does (details).
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Gwypaas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden41 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 07:16:49
February 22 2012 07:16 GMT
#55
On February 22 2012 16:05 ChaosTerran wrote:
Guys remember the good old times where your APM was your actual APM and not some made up number by Blizzard?

I lol'ed

Remember when Blizzard actually cared about the gamers instead of throwing random APM systems at us to make it look like they do stuff and care instead of you know.... the real deal?

Either way, this is ridiculous. APM is and has always just been a measure of how fast you are, and then the next step is for you yourself to break down that to understand where you spend unnecessary APM to improve. Which is pretty much impossible for a computer to do with some sort of algorithm since some spamming is necessary to time certain events and microing while others which look similar for the algorithm aren't.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
February 22 2012 07:16 GMT
#56
they tell you what they are if you took the time to read the blizzard website and understand their thought process.

right now I think it's bugged and it's reversed and will probably be fixed soon
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
February 22 2012 07:17 GMT
#57
It takes some sort of skill to fuck up something as simple as Actions per minute.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
February 22 2012 07:20 GMT
#58
On February 22 2012 07:14 Diamond wrote:
Just tested it in game.

APM = EPM
EPM = APM

I passed this on too, good patch by blizz, everything is broken or backwards.


AWwww, and I was hoping they stealth patched in real time instead of Blizzard time.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
February 22 2012 07:35 GMT
#59
Why can't they just make APM a measurement of """"ACTIONS PER ACTUAL MINUTES THAT ARE ACTUALLY 60 REAL-TIME SECONDS"""" instead of this confusing nonsense?
I'm fine with using SC2Gears and whatnot, but it would be nice to be watching a replay, hit "M" and see "Oh that's my actual APM, that's really cool that it's a big number and makes me satisfied in my brain."
Basically. people want to see high APM. It's so satisfying to see that you have a high APM.. it makes you say, "Man... I'm FAST!" even if you aren't that fast. It just raises confidence and is cool! There's so much of this "ladder anxiety" and ranking dragging people down, so wouldn't be nice for the struggling Diamond player to see 150 APM? He could work towards 200 APM and then he'd be fast like a pro. He would have something besides rank to strive for. I certainly don't feel motivated to focus really hard and play faster because I can't fucking tell that I'm playing any faster than my previous game by checking my APM.
Wasn't it cool in BW every time you progressed and got closer to the pro 300 APM? It was like, "Man, I'm getting fucking AWESOME and FAST!"
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
February 22 2012 07:40 GMT
#60
On February 22 2012 07:15 Cinim wrote:
APM is still the new thing, blizzard recently made, EPM is the old APM

APM = Their Actions Per Minute, the best APM (Blizzard APM)
EPM = E-Penis Measurement, for the silly people
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
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