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On February 22 2012 07:00 Xercen wrote:
apm is how fast u can spam your mouse buttons. (actions per min)
epm is how efficient you are when you spam your buttoms. It was suppsed to be CPM (commands per min). No idea what the EPM means
EAPM* efficient APM.
It's also very false, does not count a big portion of valid actions while allowing a lot of completely invalid actions to go through. It's really bad.
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Think they will fix this glitch without a hotfix?
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On February 22 2012 07:26 lindn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 07:00 Xercen wrote:
apm is how fast u can spam your mouse buttons. (actions per min)
epm is how efficient you are when you spam your buttoms. It was suppsed to be CPM (commands per min). No idea what the EPM means
EAPM* efficient APM. It's also very false, does not count a big portion of valid actions while allowing a lot of completely invalid actions to go through. It's really bad.
This really needs to be emphasized. Ever since Blizzard brought in the new "APM" I have seen people making assumptions about it without actually understanding how it works. It's not as simple as just filtering out "spam".
Unit and building selections simply no longer count as actions, period. That's all that changed. It's a stupid as hell way of doing it because it filters out legitimate actions while still leaving in plenty of spam.
Snap to Observer to get a look at incoming army, click enemy unit to check upgrades, select forge to check progress of own upgrades, select Nexus to check for energy to chrono boost. All that counts as zero actions. Doing all those useful things in a second counts as nothing under Blizzard's new and improved APM.
On the other hand, selecting a Probe and right clicking on the ground 30 times still causes your APM to skyrocket.
This whole APM/CPM/EPM/whatever bullshit is one of the most bizarre things I have seen come out of Blizzard. If they want a good EAPM system that attempts to filter out spam while leaving in anything that could be meaningful then there are plenty in existence already, like the one that SC2Gears uses for instance.
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blizzard apm is confusing everyone, all refer to sc2gear's apm.
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Hmm blizz fucked up this patch.
Doesn't seem to be any difference between the two.
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apm eapm who gives a rats #$@, but they should have left apm alone, it adds entertainment value (i think) when viewers watch pros.
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Yeah okay if they are going to NOT have a PTR. At least double check your own work. They have the APM's backwards and no Phoenix upgrade. The second one is significant and now they are gonna need a 1.4.3.2 fix cause they messed up lol
Edit: Also, I didn't like it when eAPM was the standalone record of your hands. But now that their is both I like blizzards idea a lot. It'll be kinda cool to see how many actions you perform are actually doing something in game.
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blizzard pm is terrible. Apm was never about the effectiveness about it. It was all about the speed.
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On February 22 2012 07:15 1hpBuiltForLove wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 07:03 oxxo wrote:
Neither matters. If your hands can do what your mind wants then your apm is enough. If it can't then it isn't. That's what I have been trying to say all along, but I could never find the words.
and what happens when your brain gets faster due to practice but your hands cant keep up? apm is a good measure of potential, not always skill.
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On February 22 2012 07:52 413X wrote:
blizzard pm is terrible. Apm was never about the effectiveness about it. It was all about the speed.
No lol. Quite the opposite actually.
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On February 22 2012 06:58 Agamo wrote:
I am a gold level player with 80 ish apm and 88ish epm
I can't be the only who to notice that? 99% sure that doesn't make sense.
Anyway, APM = actions per minute. Fairly self explanatory. eAPM = effective actions per minute. These are the actions that do something, not mindless spamming. So, placing a building, or a-moving and stuff counts toward eAPM.
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Clearly blizzard doesn't have the right people working on the patches, it seems like they're scrambling. Usually when this happens in any professional domain the ones responsible get fired.
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On February 22 2012 07:52 413X wrote:
blizzard pm is terrible. Apm was never about the effectiveness about it. It was all about the speed.
yeah I don't think a pro cared about spamming. More about how efficient they were in the time they were giving ie the name Actions per minute. Blizzard just went the wrong way at first of going about this. Now that you can see your APM (hand speed) and EPM (effective actions) I think it'll be cool to compare and contrast with others to see how those 2 correlate and whether or not you spam a ton or are doing things very effectively
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On February 22 2012 07:54 Jedclark wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 06:58 Agamo wrote:
I am a gold level player with 80 ish apm and 88ish epm I can't be the only who to notice that? 99% sure that doesn't make sense.Anyway, APM = actions per minute. Fairly self explanatory. eAPM = effective actions per minute. These are the actions that do something, not mindless spamming. So, placing a building, or a-moving and stuff counts toward eAPM.
It seems to me you have not actually read the thread. Everybody noticed it.
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On February 22 2012 07:58 Berailfor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 07:52 413X wrote:
blizzard pm is terrible. Apm was never about the effectiveness about it. It was all about the speed. yeah I don't think a pro cared about spamming. More about how efficient they were in the time they were giving ie the name Actions per minute. Blizzard just went the wrong way at first of going about this. Now that you can see your APM (hand speed) and EPM (effective actions) I think it'll be cool to compare and contrast with others to see how those 2 correlate and whether or not you spam a ton or are doing things very effectively
But, blizzard patched wrong. My EPM is 202, my APM is 100
Should be the way around. 
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APM is the old APM. EPM is the old old APM. EPM is the new APM. APM is the new EPM. Hope that clears it up.
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damn first they named it cpm now epm ,,, and its normaly always named eapm so now we have epm apm eapm cpm ... stop confusing us without any reason blizzard !
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Yeah, I too am getting higher EPM than APM and I think that does not make any sense....
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
APM is for flexing ur epeen.
EPM is for flexing ur effective epeen.
Doesn't make a difference in the end.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On February 22 2012 07:14 Diamond wrote:
Just tested it in game.
APM = EPM
EPM = APM
I passed this on too, good patch by blizz, everything is broken or backwards.
I can confirm this as well. The patch seems to have switched the two around apparently. My EPM was fuckin 198 average and I was puzzled as shit as to why. Then I switched to APM and noticed it was 90. Blizz did the ol' switcharoo.
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