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Epm Versus Apm, what the difference?

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Agamo
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada5 Posts
February 21 2012 21:58 GMT
#1
Im just asking the difference, and which one is more important and which one i should be paying attention to.

I am a gold level player with 80 ish apm and 88ish epm nad am very confused about it after new patch

Thanks!
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
February 21 2012 21:59 GMT
#2
it doesn't matter. trust me.

just take apm as a measurement of how fast your hands are. eapm is just pointlessly complicated.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
February 21 2012 22:00 GMT
#3
apm is how fast u can spam your mouse buttons. (actions per min)

epm is how efficient you are when you spam your buttoms. It was suppsed to be CPM (commands per min). No idea what the EPM means

Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 21 2012 22:01 GMT
#4
How do you have a higher EAPM then actual APM?
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ZessiM
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom232 Posts
February 21 2012 22:02 GMT
#5
i've never heard of epm
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
February 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#6
Neither matters. If your hands can do what your mind wants then your apm is enough. If it can't then it isn't.
Agamo
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada5 Posts
February 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#7
On February 22 2012 07:01 Diamond wrote:
How do you have a higher EAPM then actual APM?


Thats exactly what i was wondering, i thought apm was just clicking and every action you do(like original) and Eapm was actions that are effective negating spam(just before this patch)
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 22:04:55
February 21 2012 22:04 GMT
#8
On February 22 2012 07:02 ZessiM wrote:
i've never heard of epm


EPM is efficient APM. Takes out some of the spam out but still an arbitrary way to define what is efficient or not.
stanik
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada213 Posts
February 21 2012 22:04 GMT
#9
The few replays I have looked at has a higher EPM than APM.

I believe they mixed up the EPM and APM calculations because APM should be higher than EPM. EPM is supposed to remove keypresses that have no commands issued with it (ie. cycling through your buildings), while APM is supposed to include every button your press as an 'action'.

Blizzard called it CPM in the patch preview, it is now called EPM.
pique
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
February 21 2012 22:05 GMT
#10
If you're gold, there are more important things than APM (or EPM) to worry about. Regardless, APM will track all commands you put into the game; clicking a mouse, pressing a key to cycle through buildings, moving a unit etc. EPM on the other hand will not take into account certain 'unproductive' actions, such as clicking a hotkey to cycle through buildings.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 21 2012 22:05 GMT
#11
Efficient actions per minute, compared to actions per minute. EPM is lower but is more important
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Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 22:09:22
February 21 2012 22:08 GMT
#12
What, I don't get it.

I think cycling through my buildings is far more effective use of APM than just clicking on a spot 20 times for a move command, you have to see when your units finish, when your upgrades finish etc.

Why do they even put stuff like this in, wth is this?
The only thing they achieve with this is to make it overly complicated for every new player who has no idea what APM or EAPM means, also its so much confusion if you compare your APM with other players lol
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
February 21 2012 22:09 GMT
#13
On February 22 2012 07:03 Agamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 07:01 Diamond wrote:
How do you have a higher EAPM then actual APM?


Thats exactly what i was wondering, i thought apm was just clicking and every action you do(like original) and Eapm was actions that are effective negating spam(just before this patch)

Blizzard has fucked apm up so much it doesn't make a difference. It's hardly useful anymore in either form.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
February 21 2012 22:10 GMT
#14
idk, I just use the sc2gears apm with real time, screw anything else.
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JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
February 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#15
On February 22 2012 07:05 Bagration wrote:
Efficient actions per minute, compared to actions per minute. EPM is lower but is more important

Not true. Continuously cycling through your control groups is actually very important (it is a key part of macroing well). Right-click spamming, on the other hand, is the worst kind of spamming you can do (it hurts your macro and multi-tasking to spam clicks instead of being precise). Click spamming counts in both EPM and APM, whereas control group cycling only counts in APM. Both are not very useful, but EPM is even more worthless than APM.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 22:14:41
February 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#16
patch is still being applied, have a bit patience, and remember the rule. Never play on patchday. (this sentence got popular for a reason)
But APM will be actions per minute, and the other thing will ignore spamming.
In any case the highest number will be your apm, the other number the other thing. Oh and both numbers aren't true still i belief, as they count in ingame minutes.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#17
Just tested it in game.

APM = EPM
EPM = APM

I passed this on too, good patch by blizz, everything is broken or backwards.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
February 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#18
APM is still the new thing, blizzard recently made, EPM is the old APM
Hell, it's about time
1hpBuiltForLove
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada89 Posts
February 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#19
On February 22 2012 07:03 oxxo wrote:
Neither matters. If your hands can do what your mind wants then your apm is enough. If it can't then it isn't.


That's what I have been trying to say all along, but I could never find the words.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
February 21 2012 22:17 GMT
#20
On February 22 2012 07:09 Kimaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 07:03 Agamo wrote:
On February 22 2012 07:01 Diamond wrote:
How do you have a higher EAPM then actual APM?


Thats exactly what i was wondering, i thought apm was just clicking and every action you do(like original) and Eapm was actions that are effective negating spam(just before this patch)

Blizzard has fucked apm up so much it doesn't make a difference. It's hardly useful anymore in either form.

Yeah, I'm on eu so no patch yet and the current form of apm count I can have 120-130 blizz eapm thingy and SC2gears has it at 80-90 or so. I guess the latter dont count mindless move spam for no reason. Also blizz apm counters are based on when you start to spam/play fast so with the current settings I get wayy higher if I go for some early ling play compared for roaches or whatever. Adding to all this blizzards time setting is still wrong.
I still have to say normal JCA APM is the real thing since double tapping to move cam, checking up on building and upgrade progression ect is not counted as useful.
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