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On January 18 2012 04:50 virpi wrote:
Handicaps don't really help, I've experienced the same problem like the OP. Me and my friends used to play broodwar on our LANs, which was great fun - until 50% of us started to play the game online. The "offline guys" didn't improve and soon didn't want to play the game anymore, because they got man-handled in every game. We tried handicaps, off-racing, and all the other stuff, but the skill ceiling is just too extreme. As a superior player, you HAVE to play stupid builds to give the worse ones a chance, and this sucks.
When you do this, they'll learn that you're basically giving them pity wins, and come to resent either you, or the game, for it.
You're basically saying, "the only way that you can keep up with me is if i play like a complete idiot." While this may or may not be true, their mechanics aren't good enough to stand up to it.
If you were off doing something you enjoyed doing, and someone (vastly better than you), said, "well, no, because 2+2 is 5..." you'd look at him like he was retarded. Blatantly throwing the game is just silly.
OP should put on handicaps. 50% handicap is DEVISTATING to almost all strategies you try to do
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my friend is in gold, i'm master and my handicap is staying on one base at a time and it leads to pretty even games as long as i dont do super aggressive play like 4gate, banebust, tank contain.
not sure how it'll workout on team games but higher level players being handicapped to one mining base at a time should work out.
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Day9-style Monobattles even the playing field quite a bit ^^
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I'm in plat and play a lot with a friend of mine who is in diamond. When we play we friends from silver and bronze, they usually give us control. We tell them not to worry about anything except making units.
Also, at least with our friends, even tho they are at a lower level, they are pretty good at massing units. One bronze friend in particular loves massing thors, so my diamond friend and I will attempt to hold off the enemy/harrass until he has built up an army of fully upgraded thors. Its basically a 2v3 for the higher lvls so that keeps us interested, and the bronze's army lands the killing blow so he feels like he contributed too.
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Have a strategy with your teammate eg. early attacks (surprise), funds transfer (one person powers & other macros) or special tactics (1 tech other mass army).
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I just let my bad friends play while I commentate about how bad they are, lols.
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Play custom games or play as a team on ladder. Playing against each other will never work if your goal is fun. I've got a few friends that are bronze and I have a blast playing with them.
If you're able to; just get drunk and play... evens out the skill nicely plus takes the boredom factor away from you. Also if you're like me your friends will enjoy you become increasingly bm on the ladder. If you can't drink... you're fucked.
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if they dont seem to take advice to get better then make new friends. its their loss
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My friends and i love playing team games and even though they're only 1 diamond and the other 2 bronze and silver we still have a lot of fun.
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What I do with my assorted crew of bronze-masters friends is doing 4v4s and 3v3s with obscenely ridiculous strats, proxy 5 barracks into mass nuke, proxy 12 nex into carriers, mass HTs, etc, it's really great fun if you're in diamond-masters playing with people in bronze in 4v4 and ridiculous things ^^
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In Brood War, my friend and I would play 2v5 against our less competitive classmates on weird maps that no one really knew... 5 people = greater scouting advantage, and weird maps = less structured builds and usually more vulnerable/imba situations. This forces you to play at peak level and keeps things fair.
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whenever i play with a friend who is lower rank than me I just offrace. It helps close the skill gap and lets you learn a new race. win-win
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Something similar happened to me. All my real life friends are all platinum and below and when we try to play Peepmode obs or some 1v1 customs they never want me to play because it's never a close match. My friends play a pretty fair amount, but they didn't have the drive I did to get better. They were content with staying in plat or gold and having fun, but I went from bronze all the way up to masters and now it's not really fun for them to play against me and stuff. First world problems I guess
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if they are your friends then why not coach them and help them get better? i got my brother from silver to diamond and then he eventually got to masters
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I have the same problem. I can win vs one of my friends when I'm monobattling with any kind of unit. This includes my 6 basic workers, queens and even BCs.
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I like helping/coaching my friends to get better at the game. But sometimes I just can't lower my skill enough to give them a fair edge against me in a 1v1 situation. Idk if your friends like to play 1v1s or SOLELY team games, but try lowering your handicap to give your units less health against them. I used to do this and it made it a challenge for both me and the person I was playing against due to his lower skill than me.
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i see a lot of bronze 1V1 players who are master in 3v3/4v4 so the skill gap is not a problem, just get skype and choose nice strats and it will be ez win.
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I have a similar problem. All my real-life friends play bronze league and I am in masters. We usually play 4v4 on the same team which always results in me having to carry an entire team to victory or in really frustrating losses for me personally. It's fine for them because for them the fun aspect of the game is just playing and building stuff, whereas for me it's that + winning. I'm naturally very competitive and I absolutely hate losing. I don't know I don't really get pissed off, I just get a bit frustrated and it's not really enjoyable playing teamgames with my friends.
But the most frustrating part is that I love 1v1 and I would love to practise 1v1 with my friends, but that is basically impossible. I play against my friends with mouse only and still beat them quite convincingly, so there really is no point in playing 1v1s either. And when i try to give them tips I usually just get the typical bronze league response "I know", "yeah yeah" and then they do the complete opposite anyway.
I don't know I love hanging out with my friends on skype, but yeah, it's really no fun for me to play teamgames with them, 1v1 is a hopeless case anyway.
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First of all: motivate them to train. Try to play ladder games with them - maybe they will learn something. It's probably the best way.
If that's not the case for you try using handicap, playing off-race or just be a money-dumper. You can also try some Funday Monday ideas like playing with only your mouse or making only three units for the whole game;)
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well i play with 2 buddies who are so hyped to play but they're just plain bad,
so we play a lot of 1v2  ,
very entertaining for all of us.
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