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On January 18 2012 06:12 Day[9] wrote:I actually strongly recommend monobattling w/ them! It's pretty damn easy to build just ONE unit and to coordinate together. Plus, it's wildly fun and you get into some hilariously kick ass situations :D. I also really like playing FFA games w/ my buddies. Nobody really has to try if they don't want to, and you can have alot of fun just being ridiculous. For instance, my friend Dane and I ALWAYS try to kill eachother at all costs in every FFA. If we're both nearly dead and trying to recover, he'll still devote all his money to flying a dropship with 1 unit cross map just to kill 2-3 of my workers. It's a ton of fun! Also, we both rarely win  , but that ain't the point either! :D
The Man posted here, I think it's a good topic, figured if this goes on a different page I'll be helping new posters know about it! Not an out-of-place bump I hope?
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I play after a couple drinks so no matter how bad I win/lose, whether it be against friend or foe, I just laugh it out and chill with some music in the background.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I usually play it like funday monday and put random restrictions on myself :D
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I have a huge skill gap against my friends, I'm Masters another one of my friends is dia and the rest are bronze so usually we play team but if we have more than 4 we play 1v1 obs with me and my dia friend not playing till the third game and making it so that we have to get off even iff we win + we offrace, fool around etc, it usually causes some laughs when i bunker glitch across metal and stuff like that
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My group it's 2 masters players, 2 gold (myself) and 5-6 bronze, so it's really hard. We mostly just play Magecraft and stuff like that because people simply don't have fun, as one of our masters players grinds monobattles like a madman.
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Play teamgames together against randoms, or make them play each other. If the gap isn't far, offrace vs them.
If you want to play real games, get different friends to play against.
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Start out learning how to play macro games. As you lose you will begin to find holes in your play for the most part outside of macro. Time goes on and you begin to weld these holes.
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i offrace against my 1 friend that plays sc2 (hes bronze but i'd say good enough to be low goldish, im high plat) and i give him tips and stuff. we also do alot of 2v2s, or lately what has been really fun, we go in 4v4s and each go random. before the game we tell the other person what they are going to make. i usually tell him stuff that would help improve his feel for army comps and force him to macro up pretty hard, and he tells me stuff like "just go warp prism DTs, if that fails.....make more DTs" its pretty fun.
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My little brother is masters and I'm low plat so one of the things he does (beyond the usual off race play) is tell me what general build or timing he'll be using and he plays just that for three to six games. I'll throw everything and the kitchen sink at it trying to beat him. He normally wins still but it's a hell of a lot of fun because I'm free to try all sorts of builds I normally wouldn't and he gets to fight against some pretty random cheeses, all-ins or super greedy macro builds.
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United States4126 Posts
From my experience, playing with the in-game handicap at 50% leveled out a game between bronze and a master player. Although it does make for some silly games, it's for fun anyway.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
On January 18 2012 13:49 Kinky wrote:
From my experience, playing with the in-game handicap at 50% leveled out a game between bronze and a master player. Although it does make for some silly games, it's for fun anyway.
NO, not even close. My friend is gold 1v1, and i can beat him with either offrace and a 50% handicap without all too many issues, because people at that level simply dont have any kind of meaningful scouting, timings, and usually even when they cheese or all in their macro during the event and the follow up is horrible enough to walk all over. Im not even masters on ladder yet.
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On January 18 2012 13:49 Kinky wrote:
From my experience, playing with the in-game handicap at 50% leveled out a game between bronze and a master player. Although it does make for some silly games, it's for fun anyway.
the 50% handicap isn't as big as it seems... i once won a 1v2 vs a gold and bronzie (i'm only plat) with a 60% handicap...
on topic... my friends find it more fun to play vs AI (usually outnumbered, with increasing skill lvl)
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Why not play Ladder 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 with them? I had a friend when I was in Diamond 1v1 who was in Bronze 1v1. We started 2v2 a few seasons back. Since then we've managed to work our way from the depths of Bronze to the mid Platinum level, nearly even breaking into Diamond last season. I've improved my game a heap in that time, my macro and rush defense specifically. My friend has also improved a heap. He would be able to hold his own in at least the Gold league 1v1 now. Though we have too much fun in 2v2 to really do much 1v1 anymore. :D
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hmm, in my experience, your success depends a lot on your friend attitude and willingness
I'm a silver/gold player and i play often with my grandmaster friend. we played 2v1 or sometimes play with time condition where we cannot attack each other in the first 10 minutes, just macro up army then engage or sth like that.
we ladder 2v2 also, and sometimes he just do stupid things so that it look like its his fault that we lost the game, and not my fault. It may sound silly but at least it give the me (worse player) some encouragement.
however, i think its more because i'm inspired by his skill, his tournament win and such (he is the ace player of his team) that i try to practice hard to get better (although ladder is kinda suck and often times i feel desperate lol)
so i would say you need to kinda know why they want to quit and hit that weakness by encourage them by showing that they are capable of doing stuff, team up with them is better than playing against them i think.
just my 2cents
gluck
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On January 18 2012 06:12 Day[9] wrote:I actually strongly recommend monobattling w/ them! It's pretty damn easy to build just ONE unit and to coordinate together. Plus, it's wildly fun and you get into some hilariously kick ass situations :D. I also really like playing FFA games w/ my buddies. Nobody really has to try if they don't want to, and you can have alot of fun just being ridiculous. For instance, my friend Dane and I ALWAYS try to kill eachother at all costs in every FFA. If we're both nearly dead and trying to recover, he'll still devote all his money to flying a dropship with 1 unit cross map just to kill 2-3 of my workers. It's a ton of fun! Also, we both rarely win , but that ain't the point either! :D
Whoa 
In fact we have been doing monobattles lately. It leveled the playing field to a great extent, though the lesser players handicapped themselves a bit by picking pretty difficult units (also, darkies are less of a surprise if everyone can see you're going to build them ) . And of course, (semi)decent macro was still a major factor. But it was fun indeed. Maybe next time I'll restrict myself to picking a spell caster unit, or random.
From a didactic point of view I think it would be best for the lesser players to play against each other more. It would give them a more relaxed environment for learning/recognizing game situations, and a fair chance of winning (which I know is not the point of playing, but to them it's the only way of determining success). I think most of the better players in our group would love spec-ing them, for additional insight and silly anecdotes. But so far my attempts to entice them into 1v1-ing each other have been fruitless. Somehow the mass 3v3/4v4 feels 'safer', even if it means being insignificant. I'll keep trying though
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How about just lose on purpose? Keep the status quo. I try to maintain a 50/50 win ratio, keep them happy, it's way better than playing this game all by my self... :D
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On January 18 2012 18:49 babarossa wrote:
How about just lose on purpose? Keep the status quo. I try to maintain a 50/50 win ratio, keep them happy, it's way better than playing this game all by my self... :D
They'd definitely notice. Wouldn't be fun for anybody imho.
It's not the losing that bothers them (after all, you're bound to lose games when you play). It's the fact that they feel they can't make an impact on the game flow, ever. Other solutions (handicaps, mono's) modify the game flow in a less patronizing way.
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Coaching is the best way that I have found.
Offer to watch them play and give them advice. This will help them improve while also allowing all of you to share in your passion for gaming.
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