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Share Control. - If you are in a serious game you can control both armies, or if youre having fun you can let them control armies. this will make the games more close to either of your skill levels. This will also help the newer player work on macro and production.
Cheese - Play an off race and do something weird like a mass reaper rush, nydus, mass T1, or work on drops like baneling drops.
Custom Maps - Desert Strike, Nexus Wars, Squadron Tower defense, star battle. The first few are a good way to talk about strat and there all fun.
play vs AI - 2 on 4 medium, 2 on 1 insaine ect.
I wouldn't try handicap, with newer players it ends up being a 200/200 army a move vs a 200/200 army and at 70% its a 200/200 army vs 140/140 army and thats more frustrating than fun.
On January 17 2012 23:24 ishboh wrote:
imbalanced teams, 2v5...the two best against the 5 worst...and so on.
i remember the fondest memory of LAN gaming for me was playing my friends 2v1 all the time in halo 2. i would usually win, but the scores were always like 45-50, or something really close.
In halo it was easier to be on the smaller team because you are able to get more kills :p
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Im in a similar situation where i beat my friends 99% of the time. We usually take turns playing 1v1 and piss about on teamspeak ("aaaaaaah looks like hes going for the 6 pool!"). Sometimes ill play an off race and try something stupid. Aim is to make a fun game for some banter. End of the day, your friends know whos better and who will win in a straight up game, so dont play a straight up game.
Another thing is to try new strats or constantly tell them what the're doing wrong. Not as fun but atleast the'll get better. And if it all gets too serious play some minigames.
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Push them to get better. Bronze is pathetic for anyone who plays on any sort of semi-regular basis. Tell them that.
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We always made uneven teams if one or two players were that much better than the others.
instead of 2v2 try 2v4 or 2v3 etc etc It makes balancing a lot easier.
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team games work themselves out as long as the higher level players don't try too hard/take it too seriously. I'm in masters while my friends are an assortment of gold plat and a girl who has never actually played a 1v1 before(i guess she's like silver?) As long as I wing builds, viable or not, the games usually end up fairly close and we're in plat league or something. ofc the ladder system wants 50-50, but it's still enjoyable when you try random things that don't work and you can laugh it off in game. We've done things like mass expand+money dump, 1-2 people monobattling, amusing team compositions (roach/hydra/medivac or colossus+scv repair rush)
Be creative! you can think of something that works as long as people are open minded and want to have fun.
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Been having this problem with my friends. My problem is they're trying to get better but they give up so easily =[. I honestly think some people are cut to play such a mentally demanding game, I've had friends buy the game and give up within a week.
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All my irl friends are silver and below. I'm in master so when I 2v2 / 3v3 /4v4. I often offrace becayse my offrace is shit :D (I play Z as main). That's my way to keep it fun !
+ I can tell them what's coming so we can more or less prepare as well as they can and make the "correct" units.
I never 1v1 my friends unless I want to help them get better. Like ZvZ is very hard if they have problem with 6-7 pool or something I can do it to them and tell them what to do but I dont play 1v1s with my irls
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I have the same thing, my SC2 friends are in league's from gold to high masters, but most of us even practice together
I really like to practice against somebody that is alot better then me so he can point out the mistakes
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For the people suggesting to play like an idiot or throwing wrenches into your own play to give them a chance I think that's actually the worst thing you could do. Yeah, my friends aren't as good as me but they can tell when I'm not trying and they find it incredibly insulting to lose to someone screwing around even a couple times, more-so if you randomly start leaving games to give them wins. If anything if they catch you on it, it's probably the biggest motivator to have someone stop playing.
The best thing you could probably do is use the life handicaps, off-race, or simply just play custom games. If they aren't into melee games after playing it I wouldn't really be pushing them into it.
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On January 18 2012 00:44 Rabbet wrote:
1. Never use a cloaked unit
2. Try to stay away from flying units
3. Avoid expanding unless you know the bad has expanded
4. Don't get upgrades, especially things like stim, charge or burrow
5. Never cast a spell, in fact don't make spell casters
6. If he makes a single void ray, gg and leave immediately to let him know he is the boss
sounds boring as f... for the better player. i'd rather not play with my friends at all than having to do this all the time.
and also this:
On January 18 2012 03:24 ScareCrow` wrote:
For the people suggesting to play like an idiot or throwing wrenches into your own play to give them a chance I think that's actually the worst thing you could do. Yeah, my friends aren't as good as me but they can tell when I'm not trying and they find it incredibly insulting to lose to someone screwing around even a couple times, more-so if you randomly start leaving games to give them wins. If anything if they catch you on it, it's probably the biggest motivator to have someone stop playing.
The best thing you could probably do is use the life handicaps, off-race, or simply just play custom games. If they aren't into melee games after playing it I wouldn't really be pushing them into it.
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Just let them win? I was a lot better than a friend of mine at Warcraft 3, so when we'd play I would just try weird strategies that gave him a chance to win.
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play a couple of games winner has to kill a worker at the start of the next game. And the opponent can decide if they abuse that for some cheese. In bw i never got over 2 workers less. But it really depends on what they understand under fun. Sometimes even the sadistic way can be fun, starting to dance around pre battle etc. You know winning against someone who is a bit arrogant can be lots of fun afterwards.
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I really don't like playing with irl friends. It's not fun 1v1ing people worse than you really, and teaming with people who don't try at the asme level as you can be frustrating when you literally feel like if everyone just shared control you could micro for them in 95% of the situations where you just watch as their army helplessly dies/does nothing and you wonder what they could POSSIBLY be doing at that moment with their APM...
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Wait OP, you mean that your bronze friends dont put any effort into getting better at the game, then are discouraged when they arent as good as someone who puts forth time and effort to improve? Please tell me I read that wrong.
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1) Off race: I find off racing is actually really beneficial to your own play, and I don't get to do it muc while laddering. Playing my silver friend with my really terrible zerg is a good exercise.
2) Don't play like a moron but don't play super hard.
3) Watch them play each other and try to help them out. I'm mid-gold, my older brother is high diamond, and he just gives me lots of advice. And his friend is mid-masters and doe sthe same thing with him. Try to give them easy skills that will benefit them. For example, my friend was mid-bronze till I told him about two strats: four gate, and dt rush. Now he's first in silver league. It took him like thirty minutes to learn them.
edit: learning the builds opened up a whole new world for him, too. It made him realize there was a different school of thinking about the game.
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On January 17 2012 22:13 uskel wrote:
What I do for cases like such, is just plain have fun with the game. Don't take the game so serious when playing with friends. For example, if I know I'm playing one of my friends in a fun match, I try to do something new and have fun playing around with it. Or I sometimes off race which that in itself will lessen the skill gap. Just try to throw monkey wretches into your play and see if you can maybe think of something that you might want to actually try to use in your "real" games.
^ Pretty much.
I used to play with my friends, but from the start, they were never at my level, and it's not like I play more than them. After that, I realized that if I just kept winning, they would just stop playing against me, since who likes to lose so many matches in a row.
And so I started playing my off races or just do really absurd builds such as Planetary Fortress rush against them. (tech straight to Planetary Fort and build them by their bases.)
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On January 18 2012 04:37 Vei wrote:
I really don't like playing with irl friends. It's not fun 1v1ing people worse than you really, and teaming with people who don't try at the asme level as you can be frustrating when you literally feel like if everyone just shared control you could micro for them in 95% of the situations where you just watch as their army helplessly dies/does nothing and you wonder what they could POSSIBLY be doing at that moment with their APM...
You are trying too hard. I carried my bronzie friends in 2v2s and 4v4s to diamond and we had a blast.
You just gotta change your mindset.
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Handicaps don't really help, I've experienced the same problem like the OP. Me and my friends used to play broodwar on our LANs, which was great fun - until 50% of us started to play the game online. The "offline guys" didn't improve and soon didn't want to play the game anymore, because they got man-handled in every game. We tried handicaps, off-racing, and all the other stuff, but the skill ceiling is just too extreme. As a superior player, you HAVE to play stupid builds to give the worse ones a chance, and this sucks.
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On January 18 2012 04:48 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 04:37 Vei wrote:
I really don't like playing with irl friends. It's not fun 1v1ing people worse than you really, and teaming with people who don't try at the asme level as you can be frustrating when you literally feel like if everyone just shared control you could micro for them in 95% of the situations where you just watch as their army helplessly dies/does nothing and you wonder what they could POSSIBLY be doing at that moment with their APM... You are trying too hard. I carried my bronzie friends in 2v2s and 4v4s to diamond and we had a blast. You just gotta change your mindset.
you're right about the mindset, it's just frustrating. i can't "not try." if i don't carry with 10e9p, we GUARANTEE lose. i play with my gold to diamond friends and our mmr is still master leagueish because of my team game MMRs, and if i try anything other than early-game carry strats (aka pretty boring strats tbh), someone will die.
it's like, bleh.
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