CocA Incident Handled Correctly? - Page 4

On November 17 2011 10:46 midgettoes wrote:


How is the fact he would win the next series easily (and who can garuantee that in a tournament anyway?) justification for wanting a full series? The idea of a tournament is to progress and win. What Coca did was against the whole concept of a tournament (best players wins). As other people have said, you are simply misinformed. If Coca wanted ZvT practice he had the full army of SlayerS' terran to practice against - some of the best TvZers in the world. This excuse is pathetic - he deserved it.

Also, comparing this to the White-Ra incidient is ridiculous. Someone getting DQed and then the opposition effectively saying 'let's make this an even playing field rather than exploit the extended series' vs someone 'wanting more practice' (which I still don't even believe is the reason) is so different. If you can't see that... well... /shrug

On November 17 2011 10:42 ohampatu wrote:



LOL @ You.
They didn't ground CoCa. Look at SC2 progress as a set of stairs. 250 being the top where Nestea and MVP are sitting. CoCa was well over half way there, and possibly closer that even that on a good stretch near theh top. He was made to go to the very bottom, and told to wait there untill he could start climbing again.

Also, your 'parent and grounding' thing has absolutely nothing to do with what i said, nor anything to do with the punishment CoCa received. I never said they should just apologize or anything, its like your took 2 words i said, and then created your own example out of thin air.

Speaking of Cultures, maybe its an Asian thing, but possibly ruining a kids future because of one fuckup is generally not something i look kindly to, so yes i disagree. Idk, maybe its an American thing, but when i punish my son, i dont do it in a way that could ruin whatever it is he is doing. If my son does something stupid fishing, i dont punish him so badly that he'll never want to fish again. Nobody is thinking about CoCa here. They are only thinking about Boxer's Image, The Teams Image, Esports Image. SICKENS ME. Think about the fucking child.

On November 17 2011 10:54 TheGiftedApe wrote:
Well heres something that is bothering me, Everythread is coca this coca that, WTF BYUN DID SOMETHING JUST AS BAD/WORSE.

On November 17 2011 10:45 Dfgj wrote:

Why on earth do you assume Slayers, who has a reputation to maintain and sponsor support, would not care about what one of their representatives does?

On November 17 2011 10:54 ohampatu wrote:



1. A person threw 2 matches against White-Ra to even it up, to make a bo3.
2. This example, a person threw 1 match to even it up, for a final game.

Both are apples to apples. A person, threw the match on purpose, so as to have more games. I dont care if you are a White-Ra fanboy and think its cool just cause it was White-Ra so you dont want to call it matchfixing, but it was.

Do you remember the game when 2 people purposely tried to lose so as not to play Sen? This shit happens more than people care to admit. You guys are just super objective about it based who who did it, and what region it was in. The only reason this punishment happened to CoCa is because he is a Korean on Boxer's Team. He was made an example of. The punishment doesn't fit the crime, thats what being 'made an example' of is. All of this was done to save face for Boxer/SlayerS/Prime/GSL/ESV. I think you guys need to realize that this kid is 15 (im pretty sure), which to me is only 14. 14. I can say it again for you, 14.

Im not saying he shouldn't be punished, but when did we stop thinking about the child in all of this? No matter what punishment he receives, it needs to fit his age and his act, and not hinder is career. For all we know we will never see him again because he has to start over in B-Team and work his way through SlayerS, and then through GSL again. Im sure neither of those are something most non KR pro's could do. Yet we all expect CoCa to do it easily in 3 months or so when he is allowed to play again?

On November 17 2011 10:55 xXFireandIceXx wrote:


I might be wrong, but Slayers didn't release Coca did they? Pretty sure I just saw that Coca was kicked out of the team house and A-team "indefinitely". If that really is the case, then all this "his career is ruined" business is kind of a moot point. Until Boxer decides (somehow and I doubt it) to release Coca, I wouldn't say his career is in jeopardy.

On November 17 2011 10:59 Dragonmaster26 wrote:
Coca's team mates were away so he needed high level TvZ practice. Byun has high level TvZ. Coca's match was 2 days later iirc. He needed effective practice and what better way then to face Byun in a tournament environment? It's much more real than the GSL as things like nerves and viewership play a role.

And honestly I don't know why you guys keep syaing oh Coca would have won anyway. Tastosis kept saying that Nestea was definitely going to win against Huk after Huk screwed up in the early game. What if Coca had just stopped macroing and made all his units kill each other off for BM and let Byun expand macro up and destroy him. Same thing basically; Coca jsut didn't want to waste time so he jsut GG and left. I mean its like how Idra left the game in which MMA blew up his own CC. Why isn't Idra getting kicked off the A-team? This whole incident doesn't seem to be trying to set an example for progamers but seems more like an attempt by some arrogant Korean organizations doing anything to protect their pride and reputation even if it means screwing things up for Coca.Public hate from the Korean community and a ban from ESTV is enough of a punishment; anything further is just selfish and unethical imho.

On November 17 2011 11:00 midgettoes wrote:


Just quickly...

1) A person threw 2 matches, that they never won but were awarded because of a DQ. The person was then awarded a 2-0 lead in an extended series that they knew they didn't earn.
2) A person threw a won game. They earnt 2 wins by that point.

If you reduce the situations to that point of simplicity and ignore other factors you are being ridiculous. You can't ignore the extraneous circumstances of White-Ra's case. There were no such circumstances for Coca. He was just being an idiot. This kid is also 17 if you care to do some research. Maybe you are confusing him with Leenock. Get your facts right...

On November 17 2011 11:04 ShiaoPi wrote:


Forfeiting before you play the matches can not be compared to quitting a game and surrendering although you know that you won. The first can be put into bad sportmanship, which is not nice but okay, the latter is "matchfixing", which effects should be clear on eSports.