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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 10 2011 08:53 GMT
#101
On August 10 2011 17:47 LWCrafter wrote:
i think the "notebook" should contain more BO from wiki by default, probably all of them ^^ it must be not utility only but library also


That might be good but metagame is always shifting and I feel a lot of the build orders in wikipedia are outdated, except the super standards.

I think easiest thing is just to add new build orders from our fellow guys making guides at the sc2 strategy forum. They are pretty neat.

Only thing that I could give feedback on with this is if it was possible to "add" more into it, when going into midgame etc. But perhaps making two guides for that is the solution so just swapping if you got high apm or time.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Sennap
Profile Joined December 2010
Iceland88 Posts
August 10 2011 09:06 GMT
#102
This app looks awesome dude. Thank you very much
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
August 10 2011 09:08 GMT
#103
Any Linux user able to confirm if this works in Wine/Mono?
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 09:21:09
August 10 2011 09:16 GMT
#104
On August 10 2011 17:53 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 17:47 LWCrafter wrote:
i think the "notebook" should contain more BO from wiki by default, probably all of them ^^ it must be not utility only but library also


That might be good but metagame is always shifting and I feel a lot of the build orders in wikipedia are outdated, except the super standards.

I think easiest thing is just to add new build orders from our fellow guys making guides at the sc2 strategy forum. They are pretty neat.

Only thing that I could give feedback on with this is if it was possible to "add" more into it, when going into midgame etc. But perhaps making two guides for that is the solution so just swapping if you got high apm or time.


Pretty much this. I was toying with adding a parser for sc2builds or something, or even making a public db on appengine.

Also, having hotkeys for different builds is something I'd like to look at.

On August 10 2011 18:08 Ruscour wrote:
Any Linux user able to confirm if this works in Wine/Mono?


It will probably work in the latest Mono. Not so sure about the overlay though.

MalditoKyo
Profile Joined October 2010
France76 Posts
August 10 2011 10:22 GMT
#105
This is huge man, thank you som much for your work, now i can through my real notebook away and get to work on this one!
enykie
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany64 Posts
August 10 2011 11:00 GMT
#106
awesome! big ups!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9056 Posts
August 10 2011 11:16 GMT
#107
This is awesome work man, thanks very much.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 10 2011 14:40 GMT
#108
Could you somehow make the background be changeable? I would prefer mine pitch black rather than transparent grey. Otherwise good job
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
August 10 2011 14:46 GMT
#109
On August 10 2011 23:40 eYeball wrote:
Could you somehow make the background be changeable? I would prefer mine pitch black rather than transparent grey. Otherwise good job


The grey is just while it's in unlocked mode. Double click it and everything but the text becomes invisible.
carwashguy
Profile Joined June 2009
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 15:00:19
August 10 2011 14:59 GMT
#110
I don't think it's a question of cheating or not. Since it doesn't interact with the game, it's akin to having a written build order list on a notebook next to your computer.

However, I do think it's bad practice. Do you think you'll see this on top pros' computers when they compete in matches? They wouldn't need it. That's because they have all their build orders memorized by heart. If you have to look at an overlay, no matter how convenient, you're dumping precious attention into something other than the actual game. You may say, "I'll just use it until I do have it memorized," but I see this more of a crutch than an actual learning tool. I can imagine how easy it would be to become dependent on this to know what to do next.

That's why I prefer Yabot. With the -o setting, it forces you to remember what to do next, and then it gives you feedback so that you're actually learning (and not just following directions). After a couple hours of this, I have it memorized very well and am ready to go into multiplayer without needing any third-party help.
LWCrafter
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation2 Posts
August 10 2011 15:57 GMT
#111
On August 10 2011 18:16 Veritas. wrote:
I was toying with adding a parser for sc2builds or something, or even making a public db on appengine.


I see it this way... BOs list consists of two branches "My BOs" and "Build-in BOs". User edits "My BOs". At any given time he can press the [Import build-in] button and the program imports the BO library from a text file hosted anywhere (or in program autostart).

All further reduces the formation of this file. Community responsibility, so to speak. =) And news about it "removed BO1... added BO1...".

I think the program should be extremely simple. Adding complex mechanisms would make it uncomfortable.
PtM
Profile Joined March 2011
89 Posts
August 10 2011 22:38 GMT
#112
On August 10 2011 23:59 carwashguy wrote:
I don't think it's a question of cheating or not. Since it doesn't interact with the game, it's akin to having a written build order list on a notebook next to your computer.

However, I do think it's bad practice. Do you think you'll see this on top pros' computers when they compete in matches? They wouldn't need it. That's because they have all their build orders memorized by heart. If you have to look at an overlay, no matter how convenient, you're dumping precious attention into something other than the actual game. You may say, "I'll just use it until I do have it memorized," but I see this more of a crutch than an actual learning tool. I can imagine how easy it would be to become dependent on this to know what to do next.

That's why I prefer Yabot. With the -o setting, it forces you to remember what to do next, and then it gives you feedback so that you're actually learning (and not just following directions). After a couple hours of this, I have it memorized very well and am ready to go into multiplayer without needing any third-party help.

Eh, personally I've already found it useful. Build orders aren't especially hard to memorize so I don't feel the need to use any sophisticated method to learn them. Normally I'd just play a couple games against the computer with a notepad file open on my second monitor, then practice it a few more times without the notepad file open and this would be more than enough to learn the build. This tool just gives me a more convenient way of going through that process.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9056 Posts
August 11 2011 00:27 GMT
#113
sadly my FPS dropped to 55 from 170 when I use this
Vore210
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland256 Posts
August 11 2011 03:24 GMT
#114
Very cool, gonna be handy to learn builds of all races. To echo what other people have said, it's obviously not cheating as it serves the function of a second monitor for those of us who haven't been blessed by two .

WIthout doubt this is one of the easiest ways to learn builds without having to take your eyes off your main screen. Thanks!
Light a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett
TheLOLas
Profile Joined May 2011
United States646 Posts
August 11 2011 07:08 GMT
#115
It looks like a neat tool. However I don't think it would be used all that much by a Zerg player. My only concern like others mentioned before was if it is against the Blizzard Entertainment Terms Of Service. Basically meaning that it is against the rules.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 07:16:54
August 11 2011 07:16 GMT
#116
If an overlay is cheating (ignoring whatever is contained in the overlay), then all those streamers using logos/ads in their overlays are "cheating."

Given that the actual application of SC2 is not being affected in any way, and this duplicates various notebook, sticky note, or dual monitor setups, in a more "tech" solution; there is nothing wrong with it, and those opposing it as cheating are being fallacious.
Skype: divito7
Aean
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia15 Posts
August 11 2011 07:59 GMT
#117
Hey man nice utility! Wondering if you can make the text smaller though?
Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
August 11 2011 08:48 GMT
#118
Nice idea but I'll stay with my notebook and post-its
It ain't over till it's over
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
August 11 2011 09:05 GMT
#119
On August 11 2011 16:59 Aean wrote:
Hey man nice utility! Wondering if you can make the text smaller though?


Click "Edit Overlay"
iChau
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 21:49:22
August 12 2011 21:42 GMT
#120
On August 09 2011 19:16 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 19:07 Sated wrote:
On August 09 2011 19:02 Golgotha wrote:
On August 09 2011 18:57 Project Psycho wrote:
On August 09 2011 18:53 iaretehnoob wrote:
overlay = cheating imo


its just the same as having it wrote down and stuck on your monitor, which am sure a lot people do anyway.


big difference between having a little sticky note on your monitor or a gigantic piece of paper stuck on, than an overlay that is directly within the monitor. It's not the same thing, so stop saying that it is. Also, can someone check if this is against blizzard rules? i love the tool but I believe it is against the user agreement.

It's exactly the same thing. How is it any different? If anything, this overlay gets in the way of the action on-screen, which makes it worse than having a piece of paper stuck to the side of your monitor.

(I love my, "LOOK HERE, MORON! BUILD MORE PYLONS!" sticky-note stuck to my monitor ♥)


then dont use it.


lmao dodger. The cellaphane thing MUST be cheating LOLOLOL.

Whoever says that this is cheating, prove it instead of saying "omgomgomgo it's against ToS". It's not like a build order alone wins the game.

@OP

I love this. This makes learning builds and applying them on ladder SOOO much easier.
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