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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
August 10 2011 02:19 GMT
#81
People here are so worried about TOS and getting banned. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. It's the same thing as having a physical notebook in front of you, or having notepad or even teamliquid open on a 2nd monitor. Can't we just appreciate the guy's hard work? He's putting effort into creating something that can help the community.
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
August 10 2011 02:23 GMT
#82
Can u use the overlay on other games like bw or just sc2?
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
August 10 2011 02:32 GMT
#83
On August 10 2011 11:23 L3gendary wrote:
Can u use the overlay on other games like bw or just sc2?



Anything you can run in windowed mode.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 02:34:18
August 10 2011 02:33 GMT
#84
Very cool simple utility. Thanks for sharing!

About the "controversy" - since it has no interaction with the client, it is fine. I agree it is little different than having the build on Notepad on your 2nd monitor - it's just slightly more convenient in terms of usability (easier to follow a build when it's right in front of you rather than on a different monitor/window). If this utility automated your playing up to X food, or read in and responded to changes in your supply/resources, then yes, certainly this would be "cheating" in the sense of giving an unfair advantage.

About it being used in other programs - I'm pretty sure to have the overlay work with SC2 required specific coding to have it output the text to the SC2 client. I think it would need additional coding to show the information in SC:BW and the likes. (I could be wrong and haven't tried it yet)
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TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
August 10 2011 02:42 GMT
#85
This tool looks very cool but I'm still wary about using it... doesn't SC2 scan your RAM to check on other running programs? Can they tell that it has an overlay? Even if it's not communicating with the client, it's still displaying over it.....

I realize this should not be against the TOS... as it's the same as using a sticky note... but do we know what blizzard thinks?
Hermasaurus
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
54 Posts
August 10 2011 02:46 GMT
#86
On August 10 2011 07:17 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 06:22 Existor wrote:
Thank you for your work and sharing it with us, will definitely try this out.
Can you resize? It is a bit big on the screen.

You can change size and font. Look at my style:

[image loading]



I hope people can get banned for this... seems like too much help.

Gluing a small paper to the edge of the monitor - cheating too?


gluing a paper or having other monitor is MUCH more distracting


So it's a factor of distraction? It's okay to use certain methods to execute your build order properly as long as you sacrifice something, otherwise it will be considered cheating.

Great point.
And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion. We've talked to ourselves. We've communicated and said 'You know what, lion tastes good, let's go get some more lion'
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 02:48:06
August 10 2011 02:46 GMT
#87
[image loading]
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
August 10 2011 02:48 GMT
#88
On August 10 2011 11:46 Existor wrote:
[image loading]



You monster!
DrThorMD
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada359 Posts
August 10 2011 02:49 GMT
#89
Overlays have been used before and are being used in almost all sc2 productions. I dont understand what all the fuss is about.
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 10 2011 02:51 GMT
#90
You monster!

It's not mine, found 2 monitors photo in google and photoshoped with SC2 screenshot and notepad with random text, that looks like build order.

Anyway, if player have 2 monitors, and second monitor with simply Windows Notepad with build order or opened image with builds, like this 3 images

http://i.imgur.com/T2bT7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3OzX9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YdzT1.jpg

It can be considered cheating too, if follow your logic.
Ungrateful
Profile Joined August 2010
United States71 Posts
August 10 2011 03:33 GMT
#91
Awesome, I will definitely be using this when learning new build orders.
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
August 10 2011 05:11 GMT
#92
Holy hell, many people seem negative over this.

It is NOT intended as some sort of "cheat" for incapable people. It is intended for people learning and practicing new builds to have an cleaner alternative to things such as having a list of builds in notepad.

The overlay is no different to running notepad in a different monitor, other than it gives the advantage of being in your StarCraft II field of vision. It is NOT against the ToS. There is no interaction with the SC2 client.

If you feel people are cheating and should have to alt tab when learning a new build, you're very mean.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 10 2011 05:19 GMT
#93
Holy hell, many people seem negative over this.

It is NOT intended as some sort of "cheat" for incapable people. It is intended for people learning and practicing new builds to have an cleaner alternative to things such as having a list of builds in notepad.

The overlay is no different to running notepad in a different monitor, other than it gives the advantage of being in your StarCraft II field of vision. It is NOT against the ToS. There is no interaction with the SC2 client.

If you feel people are cheating and should have to alt tab when learning a new build, you're very mean.

^ this. Stop call everything "cheaters cheating!!!"

There are widescreen/square-screen (more vision!!!), hotkeys are optimized for someone, someone got some buttons on mouse, and there are no macros (one button - for injection, another for backspace. Both buttons can be pressed at same time with one finger), someone got epic cool keyboard, that has timer with 40 seconds (who knows?) and pings every time, when it expires. Another guy can have second monitor and have NOTEPAD (omg, CHEATER!!) with build, or have screenshot with all builds for each situation, or like Veritas said above, just ALT-TAB to teamliquid.net and see build.

Sry for bad english.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
August 10 2011 05:25 GMT
#94
Whoa, thanks a lot!!

One big problem I have found is that I stress waaay too much over build orders...I'll mess something, panic, and get stuck only a few minutes in floating 400 minerals or something and with not enough tech, units, etc. haha ^^;

Obviously I'm not very good, period, but I'm playing with silver leaguers and can't go higher: I get crushed barely 5 minutes in by gold/pat because I have several hundred unused mins and I'm still stressing over the build order ;; This should be good to help me relax and actually play hehe thanks
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 10 2011 05:27 GMT
#95
Obviously I'm not very good, period, but I'm playing with silver leaguers and can't go higher: I get crushed barely 5 minutes in by gold/pat because I have several hundred unused mins and I'm still stressing over the build order ;; This should be good to help me relax and actually play hehe thanks

Best solution - play more
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
August 10 2011 05:32 GMT
#96
On August 10 2011 14:27 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
Obviously I'm not very good, period, but I'm playing with silver leaguers and can't go higher: I get crushed barely 5 minutes in by gold/pat because I have several hundred unused mins and I'm still stressing over the build order ;; This should be good to help me relax and actually play hehe thanks

Best solution - play more


Yeah, that's true. I actually don't own the game (lol)

This is just from my experience playing beta (looooong time ago)+demo key, and I recently got to play once again, but was crushed (only played a few games) for all of the old reasons. If/when I manage to get SC2 again, the build order insert should help a lot. I was comfortable with everything except the early game build order shenanigans, so every single one of my losses (and there were a lot) were because of my build order panic hehe
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
August 10 2011 05:44 GMT
#97
On August 10 2011 03:53 JoshRT wrote:
Is there a way you can extend this so that the build older shown changes at the touch of a button? Or maybe a flow chart of decision making?

Say i see early 2nd gas on protoss and a 3 gate opening. I think possible DTs or stargate opening, so make engineering bay and put out a turret, make a raven, scout around for proxy stargate or pylon, wall off, etc etc


That sounds like a really cool idea.

Currently though, you can separate out variations by bolding them.

e.g,

...
22 - herp
25 - derp

*Variation 1
25 - blah
26 - blah
...

*Variation 2
25 - other blah
26 - other blah
...
Jhohok
Profile Joined December 2010
United States71 Posts
August 10 2011 07:56 GMT
#98
On August 10 2011 14:44 Veritas. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 03:53 JoshRT wrote:
Is there a way you can extend this so that the build older shown changes at the touch of a button? Or maybe a flow chart of decision making?

Say i see early 2nd gas on protoss and a 3 gate opening. I think possible DTs or stargate opening, so make engineering bay and put out a turret, make a raven, scout around for proxy stargate or pylon, wall off, etc etc


That sounds like a really cool idea.

Currently though, you can separate out variations by bolding them.

e.g,

Show nested quote +
...
22 - herp
25 - derp

*Variation 1
25 - blah
26 - blah
...

*Variation 2
25 - other blah
26 - other blah
...

lmao I can't stop laughing. I dunno why.

And to people who call this "CHETIN"
I thought most people on TL would be more intelligent than the flaming pits of acid and hell over at the Blizzard forums
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 08:10:34
August 10 2011 08:09 GMT
#99
This great for learning a new race. Is there any way or plans in the future to have multiple build orders up at the same time just in case you want to make some adjustments mid game?

edit: forgot to say thanks
LWCrafter
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation2 Posts
August 10 2011 08:47 GMT
#100
i think the "notebook" should contain more BO from wiki by default, probably all of them ^^ it must be not utility only but library also
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