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TheRageKage12
Profile Joined November 2010
United States161 Posts
August 12 2011 22:03 GMT
#121
How did you implement overlaying on the game?
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
August 12 2011 22:06 GMT
#122
On August 09 2011 19:02 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 18:57 Project Psycho wrote:
On August 09 2011 18:53 iaretehnoob wrote:
overlay = cheating imo


its just the same as having it wrote down and stuck on your monitor, which am sure a lot people do anyway.


big difference between having a little sticky note on your monitor or a gigantic piece of paper stuck on, than an overlay that is directly within the monitor. It's not the same thing, so stop saying that it is. Also, can someone check if this is against blizzard rules? i love the tool but I believe it is against the user agreement.


Erm.. It's not up to Blizzard to decide what you do with your computer outside of their game. What if I play with iTunes covering up half my screen? So what. It just sounds too convenient - which it is - and that is what bothers people. There is nothing invasive about it though, thus there is nothing Blizzard can bitch about.

If I'm wrong then I will admit I'm wrong, get embarrassed, then eat something plastic.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 12 2011 22:32 GMT
#123
On August 13 2011 07:03 TheRageKage12 wrote:
How did you implement overlaying on the game?

1) Go to options
2) Change window mode from "FULLSCREEN" to "WINDOWED (FULLSCREEN)"
3) Click Windows hotkey for open Start menu in windows
4) ???
5) Profit!!
FLiPNoTiK
Profile Joined May 2007
United States62 Posts
August 12 2011 22:46 GMT
#124
Much rather have notepad open on my second monitor. I wouldn't want to have that overlay on my screen the whole game. Only for the first 4-5 mins or so.
makk
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
August 12 2011 22:52 GMT
#125
Looks nice I will use it to practice a build vs ai. Though I don't see that much of an issue using it in mp. After a few games the build would be memorised anyway.

Stupid question I'm sure but how do I move the overlay?
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
August 12 2011 23:33 GMT
#126
Yup I'd like to see a way to remove it after say double-clicking. I'd also like to be able to scroll down so the overlay isn't so large to accomodate large bo's.
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
August 13 2011 15:17 GMT
#127
Useful tool. However, it crashes after I sort the list of build orders and then click on one. I'm using Vista Business.

This signature is ruining eSports.
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
August 13 2011 15:35 GMT
#128
really interesting tool, though i'm not going to use it myself, i feel like part of the challenge / fun is trying to remember it yourself.

Granted, i'm bad, so i could probably use every reminder i could get, but i think it's a really good / interesting community made project

Keep up the good work
moose...indian
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#129
Found on teamliquid similar theme

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167295
Zergalicious
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States29 Posts
August 13 2011 16:59 GMT
#130
Consent to Monitor.
WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.


From: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html

Meh, like always, if Blizzard decides that it's cheating, it's cheating. But, since this is only really an overlay that doesn't interact with the game (as stating above, ofc), I see no problem.

Just wanted to quote the legal. ;D
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esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
August 13 2011 18:36 GMT
#131
Is there anyway to select your build without minimizing the game? As I don't know what match up I will be against until I start up.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 13 2011 18:42 GMT
#132
jaeh and if blizzard decide its a cheat then all players with 2 monitors have a way better time

i use paper laying in front of my monitor so its pretty much the same
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
August 13 2011 18:50 GMT
#133
It'd be nice to add some kind of protection against the loss of data. When you are modifying or creating a build order, clicking somewhere else (like another build) automatically deletes the changes you made without any warning. no "undo" function available either...

caused me to loose a lot of work at one point, which was kinda frustrating! now I know I need to press "update" before doing anything else... ~_~
Szuu
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4 Posts
August 13 2011 18:56 GMT
#134
On August 09 2011 18:53 iaretehnoob wrote:
overlay = cheating imo


You're right... Better throw it up on my second monitor.
"Lifting up buildings is a counter to Zerglings!"
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 19:34:19
August 13 2011 19:16 GMT
#135
This is so rediculously good. Every once a while I try to spend a lot of time playing. I would collect build orders and print them. Bind the pages together and have it stand on a thingy next to my monitor.
This makes that so much easier and better. For example a major pain was browsing through the pages to select the build order I was gonna do. Also the layout looks very good and usable, but the overlay feature blew me away. Especially after seeing Existor's screenshot, where he resized it and moved it into the bottom bar as not to obstruct vision.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 10 2011 06:22 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
Thank you for your work and sharing it with us, will definitely try this out.
Can you resize? It is a bit big on the screen.

You can change size and font. Look at my style:

[image loading]



Show nested quote +
I hope people can get banned for this... seems like too much help.

Gluing a small paper to the edge of the monitor - cheating too?



That is so handy <3 Say I spawn as P and decide to do some HuK style blink stalker. How the hell do you expect me to know when to chronoboost or put down the twilight council so everything lines up really well when I haven't played in a whole month!
Seriously, I can see how this adds so much value for many people just to make the game a lot more fun and playable.
You have more freedom, more efficient use of time. Rather than doing a build 100 times so you can execute it a week from now, you only have to do it 10 times because a week from now, this will help you execute it to a similar degree.

These points kinda count for a lot of build order methods, it's just the integration and possible uses for this implementation that make me so excited and positive.

If I may leave a few suggestions regarding the overlay.
- Allow it to have a background. Say black. So that you can place it in more places over the current UI and have it retain great visibility.
- Allow buildorders to be picked from the overlay with a dropdown menu.
- Allow an icon only dropdown menu to fix the race(s) of the selections available in the dropdown menu. Additionally allow a checkbox to toggle the inclusion of general builds like ZvX.
- Have a random button where it will randomly pick a buildorder for you within the set parameters.
- Enable the usage of Global Hotkeys to execute these features. The major benefit would be that it allows you to stay ingame with everything (cursor) while managing the utility on the side.
For example you could use Page Up and Page Down to browse/scroll through the dropdown menu's buildorder lists.
Keep in mind I don't actually run windowed mode so I don't know exactly how this works.

Because the length of the lists is gonna vary it would have to expand upwards or auto-scale or something. Maybe allow a window to dedicate an area of the screen to the utility, where it will scale down or not expand as opposed to scaling towards a really big font for shorter lists.

Anyway, awesome!

Edit: Decided to make a small picture to show the final part since I don't think that was clear enough.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
The "red block" anchors a corner. Allow different corners to become an anchor.
The "gray lines" set boundaries. So that you get control over the space and font scaling etc. Especially ment for when you "scroll/browse" through the lists "on the fly".

*The picture contains 4 parts, so if you can only see two, open it in a new window. Should've had the picture scale
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 13 2011 19:47 GMT
#136
Overlord tired to look at you
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
August 13 2011 23:29 GMT
#137
On August 14 2011 04:16 legatus legionis wrote:
This is so rediculously good. Every once a while I try to spend a lot of time playing. I would collect build orders and print them. Bind the pages together and have it stand on a thingy next to my monitor.
This makes that so much easier and better. For example a major pain was browsing through the pages to select the build order I was gonna do. Also the layout looks very good and usable, but the overlay feature blew me away. Especially after seeing Existor's screenshot, where he resized it and moved it into the bottom bar as not to obstruct vision.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 10 2011 06:22 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
Thank you for your work and sharing it with us, will definitely try this out.
Can you resize? It is a bit big on the screen.

You can change size and font. Look at my style:

[image loading]



Show nested quote +
I hope people can get banned for this... seems like too much help.

Gluing a small paper to the edge of the monitor - cheating too?



That is so handy <3 Say I spawn as P and decide to do some HuK style blink stalker. How the hell do you expect me to know when to chronoboost or put down the twilight council so everything lines up really well when I haven't played in a whole month!
Seriously, I can see how this adds so much value for many people just to make the game a lot more fun and playable.
You have more freedom, more efficient use of time. Rather than doing a build 100 times so you can execute it a week from now, you only have to do it 10 times because a week from now, this will help you execute it to a similar degree.

These points kinda count for a lot of build order methods, it's just the integration and possible uses for this implementation that make me so excited and positive.

If I may leave a few suggestions regarding the overlay.
- Allow it to have a background. Say black. So that you can place it in more places over the current UI and have it retain great visibility.
- Allow buildorders to be picked from the overlay with a dropdown menu.
- Allow an icon only dropdown menu to fix the race(s) of the selections available in the dropdown menu. Additionally allow a checkbox to toggle the inclusion of general builds like ZvX.
- Have a random button where it will randomly pick a buildorder for you within the set parameters.
- Enable the usage of Global Hotkeys to execute these features. The major benefit would be that it allows you to stay ingame with everything (cursor) while managing the utility on the side.
For example you could use Page Up and Page Down to browse/scroll through the dropdown menu's buildorder lists.
Keep in mind I don't actually run windowed mode so I don't know exactly how this works.

Because the length of the lists is gonna vary it would have to expand upwards or auto-scale or something. Maybe allow a window to dedicate an area of the screen to the utility, where it will scale down or not expand as opposed to scaling towards a really big font for shorter lists.

Anyway, awesome!

Edit: Decided to make a small picture to show the final part since I don't think that was clear enough.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
The "red block" anchors a corner. Allow different corners to become an anchor.
The "gray lines" set boundaries. So that you get control over the space and font scaling etc. Especially ment for when you "scroll/browse" through the lists "on the fly".

*The picture contains 4 parts, so if you can only see two, open it in a new window. Should've had the picture scale


I'm not particularly interested in maintaining this project. It serves its primary purpose well enough, the overlay is secondary. Adding overlay interaction would be messier than I'd like due to the method it employs to be transparent and click-throughable.

Global hotkeys would be possible, but also messy (keyboard hooks aren't fun).
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
August 13 2011 23:33 GMT
#138
On that note, here is the source code.

If you make any worthy changes, I ask you pass on the changes/source
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
August 14 2011 01:40 GMT
#139
Greeeat programm, thank you very much !
Carbonthief
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
August 14 2011 01:46 GMT
#140
I think this is fine for practice games, but if you're doing it on the ladder, I think it's cheating. I don't think it matters if you use notepad, an overlay, or tape a piece of paper to your monitor, it would still be technically cheating. The only difference is with an overlay, you break the TOS and risk getting your account banned.

Which is a shame because I think it would be an amazingly awesome tool for practicing.
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