EPTMilkis doesn't know about the international scene.
So all we get is a train wreck.
Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 264
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Fionn
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Milkis doesn't know about the international scene. So all we get is a train wreck. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:15 marvin. wrote: Alex arguing that buying out Koreans is for the greater growth of esports. Personally I think that if a bit more work / money / time was put into the actual FOREIGNER players it would be better for esports. I agree and this is what I don't get. Before in the NASL/Korean debate people were saying you can't have too many koreans in the NASL because it would hurt the foreign scene and it would just be GSL west. They said that you can't market koreans as well because foreign fans can't relate to them. The essence of Catz's argument is that he wants the money to be available for home grown foreigners to grow the foreign scene, so I don't think he would see these signings of korean ringers as helping the foreign scene. Do people change their opinions about koreans taking all the foreign money, so as long as those koreans belong to a foreign team? Let's say we get to a point where all the foreign teams have korean players on it and those koreans win a majority of the foreign tourneys. Does that help grow the foreign scene because those koreans belong to foreign teams, whereas korean team players winning mlg and nasl only hurts the foreign scene? | ||
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zeru
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Chrill
Sweden91 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:22 thanhbao86 wrote: Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that. QFT. Always, ALWAYS contact management first. That's how it's done (more or less) in every bussiness. Problem solved. | ||
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namedplayer
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thanhbao86
Canada199 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:23 DEN1ED wrote: Why is everyone making such a big deal about this. The entire issue is just that the TSL coach is upset because they didn't talk to him first. EG thought that they had gone about things the proper way but when realizing TSL was upset, apologized. And now it has turned in to some huge debate about international esports. wtf. Exactly this. This AG dude is trying to drive the conversation away from the fact that EG has done it the wrong way. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:23 Grimsong wrote: I think everyone needs to take a stepback and let go of BW. Lets be honest. Is it really best for Korea to be so inclusive? Think it's time to break down that barrier. Korea scared stiff? You don't break the barrier by poaching players. Also you have to be stupid to think korean teams / players aren't looking to international events. There is a mix right now and koreans are travelling. This did nothing but sour the grapes and cause korean teams to clamp down tighter now. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:24 zeru wrote: And dont forget that Wheat failed hard at moderating the discussion. Yeah, it ended up pretty awful sadly. Seriously one sided, its not even fair. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:17 EtohEtoh wrote: why does Alex always come back to to this growth of ESPORTS thing, it has nothing to do with why the korean coach is pissed. He's only pissed that EG didn't talk to the team. Yes, that's a dumb thing to be pissed about when compared to that whole globalization of ESPORTS, but it's still the thing that should be focused on once again, Rain going to FnaticMSI is the complete counter arguement to what Alex is saying Because he already addressed that issue. He said that TSL released this news prematurely as Puma has not even signed with EG yet. He goes back to the growth of Esports because he has criticism of the korean "inclusive" method of doing it. And he has good reason to be critical of it as well, even in BW (which is much much larger in korea then SC1), most of the pros do not make a salary. What he is saying is that people should not think that foreigner teams picking up korean players is a bad thing, because it means more money for the players, which we all want. Thats why he gave the brazil example, as brazilian leagues do not pay as much as lets say european leagues, but brazilian players are still able to make money by playing in different leagues. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:24 namedplayer wrote: Milkis is not representing TSL. they should invite someone actually can represent Korea. who speaks english better than milkis. >.> | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:23 Fionn wrote: Alex doesn't know about Korea or their scene. Milkis doesn't know about the international scene. So all we get is a train wreck. yep, this is what I see, except Milkis knows less than what you said, no offense to him, he's trying to be a statistician, AG is a professional talker | ||
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Hibzy
United Kingdom445 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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meep
United States1699 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:21 HolyArrow wrote: It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is 1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman 2. Constantly interrupting 3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things 4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics. Especially the interrupting and using such complex vocabulary to get simple points across, he's just talking down to Milkis now.  | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
"Did you contact mister lee" "blablabla* | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:21 xN.07)MaK wrote: Basically you are saying he was in a semi-slave situation, while most people see it as an opportunity to get a piece of the cake of e-sports. To me, it does not justify how EG approached this. Heres an example: Lets say you get an unpaid internship in college. You work at that unpaid internship for awhile, and then you get a job offer from another company. The company giving you the internship was technically giving an opportunity to get into the industry, and expending money to do so, and in exchange getting free labor. The other company now wants to pay you for your efforts. Would the other company be obligated to contact your original company? No. Would they in literally any other industry? No. It is how a free labor market works, and a market that enforces protection from switching companies only hurts the laborers, for the benefit of the companies. | ||
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:17 Angelbelow wrote: Milkis isnt really following AGs point I feel.. not his fault though.. I don't think Garfield is following Milkis' point, either. Hard to follow someone's point when you cut him off ever so often. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:24 MrDudeMan wrote: Because he already addressed that issue. He said that TSL released this news prematurely as Puma has not even signed with EG yet. He goes back to the growth of Esports because he has criticism of the korean "inclusive" method of doing it. And he has good reason to be critical of it as well, even in BW (which is much much larger in korea then SC1), most of the pros do not make a salary. What he is saying is that people should not think that foreigner teams picking up korean players is a bad thing, because it means more money for the players, which we all want. Thats why he gave the brazil example, as brazilian leagues do not pay as much as lets say european leagues, but brazilian players are still able to make money by playing in different leagues. TSL never talked to EG. Puma comes back and says "I'm leaving the team for EG". Despite the fact TSL housed/fed/trained him with their money for 10 months, the second he wins something EG poached him. They also tried to poach contracted players (sen) and all the other korean players. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
North America and Europe NEED a better infrastructure to support Korean players. You can't just buy Puma and expect him to get better. He needs a coach dedicated to guiding the team. He needs top practice partners in the house. Korea has a thirteen year head start on the rest of the world. For all of this to work, for Korean players to move to international teams and get better, the infrastructure needs to get better. | ||
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