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Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5301
Alex really doesn't get that avoiding the teams to contact players is a shock to a market that doesn't rely on contracts.
Dwelf
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands365 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5302
Maybe noone wants to hear this but I dont think that Wheat is managing this conversation that well. He should explain the points milkis is making more because its hard to follow and he should let Alex explain more about how this works in the foreign scene to get a good view on the other side of things.
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megaBICEPS
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada79 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5303
On July 22 2011 09:27 hewley wrote:
This is so ridiculous. Dj Wheat asks AG whether he contacted coach Lee. And his answer are tons of sentences with no real content. >_<



who cares if he contacted coach lee? that's pumas job
Gonna burn some muscle!
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5304
On July 22 2011 09:26 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:24 MrDudeMan wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:17 EtohEtoh wrote:
why does Alex always come back to to this growth of ESPORTS thing,
it has nothing to do with why the korean coach is pissed. He's only pissed that EG didn't talk to the team.
Yes, that's a dumb thing to be pissed about when compared to that whole globalization of ESPORTS, but it's still the thing that should be focused on

once again, Rain going to FnaticMSI is the complete counter arguement to what Alex is saying


Because he already addressed that issue. He said that TSL released this news prematurely as Puma has not even signed with EG yet. He goes back to the growth of Esports because he has criticism of the korean "inclusive" method of doing it. And he has good reason to be critical of it as well, even in BW (which is much much larger in korea then SC1), most of the pros do not make a salary. What he is saying is that people should not think that foreigner teams picking up korean players is a bad thing, because it means more money for the players, which we all want. Thats why he gave the brazil example, as brazilian leagues do not pay as much as lets say european leagues, but brazilian players are still able to make money by playing in different leagues.

TSL never talked to EG. Puma comes back and says "I'm leaving the team for EG". Despite the fact TSL housed/fed/trained him with their money for 10 months, the second he wins something EG poached him.

They also tried to poach contracted players (sen) and all the other korean players.


They talked to him when he got top 4 at NASL and not after he won.

Also Yes TSL housed/fed/trained him but its not like they dident get anything in return from PUMA's advertising at NASL and other places.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5305
On July 22 2011 09:28 Yew wrote:
Why couldn't AG just contact Coach Lee and say "hey, we're interested in recruiting one of your players. Puma has shown interest in joining our team and we just wanted to let you know that we have been discussing this" It would have been so much easier for everyone involved instead of basically going behind Lee's back and taking his player.


Because Puma said he'd do it. Puma might have screwed that up a little.
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5306
On July 22 2011 09:28 Yew wrote:
Why couldn't AG just contact Coach Lee and say "hey, we're interested in recruiting one of your players. Puma has shown interest in joining our team and we just wanted to let you know that we have been discussing this" It would have been so much easier for everyone involved instead of basically going behind Lee's back and taking his player.


Because Puma told AG that rather than doing that, EG should just let Puma talk to Coach Lee first.

This point has been made repeatedly, in this thread and on the show.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:30:23
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5307
On July 22 2011 09:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:28 thedz wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:26 Fionn wrote:
I think people are overlooking at how the Korean players won't meet their full potential if they leave Korea. Do you think Puma will get better in North America with worse training partners and the North American server? No, he won't.


From what AG alluded to earlier on the show, it seemed that EG was considering forming something inside of Korea -- maybe even the mythical Korean EG house. Either way, I don't think its probable that EG is getting Koreans without considering the effect that training and practice has on them.


They're building an infrastructure to handle good Korean players.

they've been talking about that for how long? Really want to see EG do that. Seems like they want to buy top players instead of supporting their team in america.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5308
On July 22 2011 09:28 Yew wrote:
Why couldn't AG just contact Coach Lee and say "hey, we're interested in recruiting one of your players. Puma has shown interest in joining our team and we just wanted to let you know that we have been discussing this" It would have been so much easier for everyone involved instead of basically going behind Lee's back and taking his player.


Because he said they did that with other Korean teams and the Korean teams demanded a transfer fee that was more than what EG is worth as a whole company.

Which I can understand. If you have a top SC2 player in the world, why you give them away without a boat load of cash?
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meep
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1699 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5309
On July 22 2011 09:29 megaBICEPS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:27 hewley wrote:
This is so ridiculous. Dj Wheat asks AG whether he contacted coach Lee. And his answer are tons of sentences with no real content. >_<



who cares if he contacted coach lee? that's pumas job


wait.. what?
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OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5310
On July 22 2011 09:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:28 thedz wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:26 Fionn wrote:
I think people are overlooking at how the Korean players won't meet their full potential if they leave Korea. Do you think Puma will get better in North America with worse training partners and the North American server? No, he won't.


From what AG alluded to earlier on the show, it seemed that EG was considering forming something inside of Korea -- maybe even the mythical Korean EG house. Either way, I don't think its probable that EG is getting Koreans without considering the effect that training and practice has on them.


They're building an infrastructure to handle good Korean players.


Just like they built infrastructure to handle Idra in Korea?
Shaxe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands590 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5311
Most of you guys don't understand that the way how the Korean SC2 team works is that they ask unrealistic prices for their players when any other team shows interest leading to players being usually undermined financially.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5312
On July 22 2011 09:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:28 Yew wrote:
Why couldn't AG just contact Coach Lee and say "hey, we're interested in recruiting one of your players. Puma has shown interest in joining our team and we just wanted to let you know that we have been discussing this" It would have been so much easier for everyone involved instead of basically going behind Lee's back and taking his player.


Because Puma said he'd do it. Puma might have screwed that up a little.

puma said he'd do it after alex already presented his offer to him, and he was weighing the issue (basically decided to take it).

what most of us want to know is why alex didn't contact coach lee before presenting his offer to puma. handing him a business card is fine. presenting an offer is not.
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SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5313
On July 22 2011 09:26 Domination wrote:
"So have you reached out to Mr. Lee"

*2 minutes straight of AG talking*

It's a yes or no question.......


Did you not listen to what he said, and can you not comprehend how it is reasonable that he hasn't?

I'm getting an overwhelming sense that most of the people bashing EG right now are either very young or completely oblivious. He has been more than fair in the discussion and acknowledged and addressed all of milkis' points and djwheat's questions.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
July 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#5314
Does it not seem incredibly ridiculous that this matter is supposed to be 'settled' on a talk show that is collaborating with EG?

This feels like such a waste of time. No-one is ever going to find out anything because EG is not going to tell anything. And this is going to be EG's way of settling the score.

It is just tiresome.
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#5315
On July 22 2011 09:29 Influ wrote:
Alex really doesn't get that avoiding the teams to contact players is a shock to a market that doesn't rely on contracts.


Yet in BW they used contracts and pride themselves around Kespas structure?

What did I miss?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#5316
So basically, 250 pages of dramatization and condemnation just got owned when we heard the other side of the story and the simple fact that Puma told Alex that he shouldn't bother talking to coach Lee, Puma would do it himself. Not only that, but Puma hasn't actually been signed yet.


I refer you all to my post on page 107 of this thread:


"What does it say about the human race that we have 107 pages of sweeping conclusions and condemnations despite having very little information about what actually happened (and only one side of the story)?"
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
July 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#5317
Wow, such a dick move by EG and Puma after I read the update. I have no problem with transferring players in sport. But backstabbing like the way EG did was so coward. Puma is just a greedy traitor. Hell I like him a lot after NASL, and I didn't hate EG that much.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#5318
On July 22 2011 09:28 EtohEtoh wrote:
Rain already left TSL, Coach Lee was fine with that.

and like I said earlier in the thread, Puma isn't signed literally. That means, he hasn't sat down in the EG headquarters in the States, and wrote his name down on the carefully written contract.

He's already left TSL, he's basically with EG, and like I said earlier, he's just in transit

According to the TSL interview, Puma didn't make a full decision until after he'd returned to Korea, so it sounds like EG was left semi-hanging. They new Puma was interested, but he hadn't actually agreed yet.

Puma made his decision, talked to Mr. Lee, and Mr. Lee went public with it (probably before Puma even said to EG "Okay, hand me the contract").
Average means I'm better than half of you.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#5319
On July 22 2011 09:30 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:26 Domination wrote:
"So have you reached out to Mr. Lee"

*2 minutes straight of AG talking*

It's a yes or no question.......


Did you not listen to what he said, and can you not comprehend how it is reasonable that he hasn't?

I'm getting an overwhelming sense that most of the people bashing EG right now are either very young or completely oblivious. He has been more than fair in the discussion and acknowledged and addressed all of milkis' points and djwheat's questions.


You have to realize though hes not being upfront/blunt and spinning everything like crazy.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 22 2011 00:31 GMT
#5320
On July 22 2011 09:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:28 Yew wrote:
Why couldn't AG just contact Coach Lee and say "hey, we're interested in recruiting one of your players. Puma has shown interest in joining our team and we just wanted to let you know that we have been discussing this" It would have been so much easier for everyone involved instead of basically going behind Lee's back and taking his player.


Because Puma said he'd do it. Puma might have screwed that up a little.

It all comes down to Lee and EG not communicating. I'm sure we would have none of this drama if they talked with each other. I'm sure Lee would be fine with Puma going to EG, but he feels betrayed by puma and is mad with EG because nobody told him about this, so it gives him a bad impression of this whole situation.
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