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legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
July 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#5281
Poor Milkis, this is such a set-up.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
July 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#5282
"So have you reached out to Mr. Lee"

*2 minutes straight of AG talking*

It's a yes or no question.......
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#5283
On July 22 2011 09:25 Elefanto wrote:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
"Did you contact mister lee"
"blablabla*

Blahblahblah for what felt like at least one minute. And the answer was seriously just, "No."
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#5284
On July 22 2011 09:24 Chrill wrote:
QFT. Always, ALWAYS contact management first. That's how it's done (more or less) in every bussiness. Problem solved.


They handed out business cards, and Puma was the one that took the discussions further. I don't want to blame Puma for this whole thing, but you honestly can't expect EG to say "Sorry, we can't talk to you further until I tell your coach". If the player wanted to discuss his options for employment, then really the onus is on him.

It's like if you're getting applying job interviews while you already have a job.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#5285
On July 22 2011 09:25 meep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:21 HolyArrow wrote:
It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.


Especially the interrupting and using such complex vocabulary to get simple points across, he's just talking down to Milkis now.


Well, Milkis simply isn't as good a speaker as AG, so AG is using that to his advantage, and it just feels really dirty to me. I guess it's kind of a sensitive issue to me because my dad, an immigrant, deals with lots of bullshit politics in his job and often has to deal with having his arguments shot down not because he's wrong, but because other people are simply more articulate than he is.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#5286
this is a miserable train wreck
Cite
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:27:54
July 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#5287
Oh god Wheat you let him get by clearly shooting himself in the foot and you could have stabbed him in it but nooo T.T

"When did we have the time"

Oh...how about when you thought sending puma a card instead of talking to various coaches about potential buyouts.... You know... right about then mister. You don't wait for shit to explode then want to talk it out - wtf is that .

- edit also quoting my other post as to why this is bigger than just this:

To be honest its safe to say that despite what is done here with the update on the OP about coach lee and the SC2 assosciation taking measures to prevent this - it is CLEAR that EG has fucked up something with the relations with korea and that cannot be lied. Whether it be destroying the koreans own inbuilt trust rather than contractual relation ship ( this inturn might trap future progamers into TERRIBLE contracts that are detrimental rather than good) so in the end people who are saying that this is nothing truly are blind and it is indeed thanks to EG.
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
July 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#5288
This is so ridiculous. Dj Wheat asks AG whether he contacted coach Lee. And his answer are tons of sentences with no real content. >_<
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
llatszer
Profile Joined September 2010
United States70 Posts
July 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#5289
I feel like AG is not trying to talk down to Milkis but he is representing a large corporation and he HAS to get his words in to try to get his companies side of the story out. Milkis on the other hand has no monetary gain for anything he just has a strong opinion and is trying to make his point. IE: AG has more on the line in this interview.
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5290
On July 22 2011 09:24 Chrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:22 thanhbao86 wrote:
Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.


QFT. Always, ALWAYS contact management first. That's how it's done (more or less) in every bussiness. Problem solved.


I know that this has been said 50 times, and probably my response has been said 50 times as well.

He was not a signed player, no contract. Who is his "management" as a freelance professional? There was nobody to talk to. The "management" is mad that they could not keep a player without paying him properly.
thanhbao86
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada199 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5291
He keeps saying I apologize. Dude you should have done that long time ago. One email dude, one email, how is that so hard for you.
Fat Dragoon
Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5292
On July 22 2011 09:24 thanhbao86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:23 DEN1ED wrote:
Why is everyone making such a big deal about this. The entire issue is just that the TSL coach is upset because they didn't talk to him first. EG thought that they had gone about things the proper way but when realizing TSL was upset, apologized. And now it has turned in to some huge debate about international esports. wtf.


Exactly this. This AG dude is trying to drive the conversation away from the fact that EG has done it the wrong way.

So, his publicly appologising for the situation and saying he'll speak with Mr Lee was driving the conversation away? Explain that to me please.
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
megaBICEPS
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada79 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5293
On July 22 2011 09:24 Chrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:22 thanhbao86 wrote:
Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.


QFT. Always, ALWAYS contact management first. That's how it's done (more or less) in every bussiness. Problem solved.


LOL no. you think when companies hire employees they contact their bosses before? no, only if they want a reference.
Gonna burn some muscle!
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5294
On July 22 2011 09:26 Fionn wrote:
I think people are overlooking at how the Korean players won't meet their full potential if they leave Korea. Do you think Puma will get better in North America with worse training partners and the North American server? No, he won't.


From what AG alluded to earlier on the show, it seemed that EG was considering forming something inside of Korea -- maybe even the mythical Korean EG house. Either way, I don't think its probable that EG is getting Koreans without considering the effect that training and practice has on them.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5295
On July 22 2011 09:24 Chrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:22 thanhbao86 wrote:
Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.


QFT. Always, ALWAYS contact management first. That's how it's done (more or less) in every bussiness. Problem solved.


In any sports, no, it isn't. You contact the agents first, to gauge interest. Then you approach management. Puma was to do the "approach management", it seems like it failed a bit.
EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5296
On July 22 2011 09:24 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:17 EtohEtoh wrote:
why does Alex always come back to to this growth of ESPORTS thing,
it has nothing to do with why the korean coach is pissed. He's only pissed that EG didn't talk to the team.
Yes, that's a dumb thing to be pissed about when compared to that whole globalization of ESPORTS, but it's still the thing that should be focused on

once again, Rain going to FnaticMSI is the complete counter arguement to what Alex is saying


Because he already addressed that issue. He said that TSL released this news prematurely as Puma has not even signed with EG yet. He goes back to the growth of Esports because he has criticism of the korean "inclusive" method of doing it. And he has good reason to be critical of it as well, even in BW (which is much much larger in korea then SC1), most of the pros do not make a salary. What he is saying is that people should not think that foreigner teams picking up korean players is a bad thing, because it means more money for the players, which we all want. Thats why he gave the brazil example, as brazilian leagues do not pay as much as lets say european leagues, but brazilian players are still able to make money by playing in different leagues.


Rain already left TSL, Coach Lee was fine with that.

and like I said earlier in the thread, Puma isn't signed literally. That means, he hasn't sat down in the EG headquarters in the States, and wrote his name down on the carefully written contract.

He's already left TSL, he's basically with EG, and like I said earlier, he's just in transit
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5297
On July 22 2011 09:28 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:24 Chrill wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:22 thanhbao86 wrote:
Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.


QFT. Always, ALWAYS contact management first. That's how it's done (more or less) in every bussiness. Problem solved.


I know that this has been said 50 times, and probably my response has been said 50 times as well.

He was not a signed player, no contract. Who is his "management" as a freelance professional? There was nobody to talk to. The "management" is mad that they could not keep a player without paying him properly.


It WAS an honor system (which is pretty big in korea). They all will be under contract really soon in korea.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#5298
Why couldn't AG just contact Coach Lee and say "hey, we're interested in recruiting one of your players. Puma has shown interest in joining our team and we just wanted to let you know that we have been discussing this" It would have been so much easier for everyone involved instead of basically going behind Lee's back and taking his player.
Lafie
Profile Joined August 2005
Finland36 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5299
Well, if EG ever goes down, AG really has good change to success in politics.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#5300
On July 22 2011 09:28 thedz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:26 Fionn wrote:
I think people are overlooking at how the Korean players won't meet their full potential if they leave Korea. Do you think Puma will get better in North America with worse training partners and the North American server? No, he won't.


From what AG alluded to earlier on the show, it seemed that EG was considering forming something inside of Korea -- maybe even the mythical Korean EG house. Either way, I don't think its probable that EG is getting Koreans without considering the effect that training and practice has on them.


They're building an infrastructure to handle good Korean players.
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