• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:45
CEST 15:45
KST 22:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors13[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers21Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2121 users

Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 263

Forum Index > SC2 General
7189 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 261 262 263 264 265 360 Next
Mojar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia185 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5241
I dont think milkis gets that you cant have a korean run players association covering every league in the entire world.
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5242
On July 22 2011 09:19 lol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.

I would too if I got cut of all the time.

Well, that's the difference between a regular guy who translates and contributes to the community and another guy who is running a business.

If you can stop the hate towards EG or the blind TL love for Milkis, this is a rather educational show.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5243
OH, THE DISCUSSION HEADS TOWARDS SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE, LETS ADD ANOTHER 20 SUB-TOPICS

User was temp banned for this post.
wat
Chrill
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden91 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5244
On July 22 2011 09:20 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.


AG is being a total dick to Milkis by cutting him off numerous times.


Well Milkis is talking, plainly speaking, bullshit right now. Deserves to be cut off. -_-
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5245
On July 22 2011 09:20 gurrpp wrote:
I have to agree with Alex Garfield that you can't just copy the Korean system from broodwar. Historically this kind of thing doesn't turn out well when esports try to go global.


The thing is that has nothing to do with the debate. The shitting on EG is coming from them poaching players.

Now Korea will have contracts thanks to EG.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
felizuno
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States164 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5246
after listening to it, it sounds like Milkis is in a position where he is expected to talk but has nothing to say, just has to argue a counterpoint. What he is saying doesnt make any sense... Not because I think Milkis is stupid (Milkis I ♥ you) but I think his point fell apart a long time ago yet he is stuck in the debate because the show is still on :-(
Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5247
Yeah this is all over the place. They established long ago that PuMa wasn't poached. (Or he was, but it has nothing to do with it anymore). This is a weird mix of developing esports, mixing of foreign/korean teams, player salaries and god knows.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5248
It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5249
On July 22 2011 09:20 gurrpp wrote:
I have to agree with Alex Garfield that you can't just copy the Korean system from broodwar. Historically this kind of thing doesn't turn out well when esports try to go global.


Nobody ever argued that, how the fuck did they end up there anyway?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5250
I wish I could be as smooth talking as the EG guy. I'm probably worse than Milkis, at least he is making good arguments even if he's having problem articulating it.

Hmmm
Mayor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States472 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5251
I dunno, I feel like Milkis is just stuck in the old ways, personally.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5252
On July 22 2011 09:21 Skullflower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:19 Sqq wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:18 Elefanto wrote:
God fucking damnit AG shut up and let milkis finish his points.
This is so annoying, dear lord, DjWheat please step in and lead the discussion.


Milkis has lost the plot long ago. AG is the only one talking sens.


Even then at least let the man finish a fucking sentence. I think AG just really enjoys hearing himself speak.

They brought him on to speak and defend himself. This is what you get in those situations.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5253
This is boring im done its going in circles, this is just about how he treated the deal with puma/tsl, it is NOT about growing esports globally and its a pointless discussion now :s
thanhbao86
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada199 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5254
Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.
Fat Dragoon
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5255
On July 22 2011 09:21 felizuno wrote:
after listening to it, it sounds like Milkis is in a position where he is expected to talk but has nothing to say, just has to argue a counterpoint. What he is saying doesnt make any sense... Not because I think Milkis is stupid (Milkis I ♥ you) but I think his point fell apart a long time ago yet he is stuck in the debate because the show is still on :-(



Yeah I completely agree, he was taken in because he translated, and is now expected to be the voice of the korean scene and encompass all their opinions.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:23:16
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5256
On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being a dick and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.


Tbh this is what It what it seems more like to me.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5257
On July 22 2011 09:21 HolyArrow wrote:
It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.


Simply put, they invited the wrong person and is using it to their advantage.
Dear Sixsmith...
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#5258
DJwheat is being a terrible moderator of the discussion / host.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
July 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#5259
Why is everyone making such a big deal about this. The entire issue is just that the TSL coach is upset because they didn't talk to him first. EG thought that they had gone about things the proper way but when realizing TSL was upset, apologized. And now it has turned in to some huge debate about international esports. wtf.
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#5260
On July 22 2011 09:20 Sqq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:20 SiguR wrote:
I can't fathom how anyone can listen to this and not understand Alex's point. His points are ten times more articulate and well though out than anyone else's here.


Precisely. He works with this every day at a professional level.


I think everyone needs to take a stepback and let go of BW.

Lets be honest.

Is it really best for Korea to be so inclusive? Think it's time to break down that barrier. Korea scared stiff?
Prev 1 261 262 263 264 265 360 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#84
WardiTV1202
IntoTheiNu 1021
OGKoka 489
Rex137
Ryung 29
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 489
Lowko371
Hui .212
Rex 137
Ryung 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 9775
Sea 2724
Jaedong 2224
EffOrt 827
Stork 741
Hyuk 715
BeSt 635
Mini 503
ggaemo 448
actioN 390
[ Show more ]
Snow 374
Light 183
Hyun 164
ZerO 160
PianO 123
Killer 102
Pusan 84
Nal_rA 81
Rush 80
Barracks 73
ToSsGirL 72
Shinee 62
Aegong 57
Sea.KH 54
[sc1f]eonzerg 51
soO 41
Free 38
Bale 26
ajuk12(nOOB) 25
Sacsri 22
scan(afreeca) 20
HiyA 20
Sexy 19
yabsab 17
JYJ 16
GoRush 13
Shine 13
Noble 12
910 12
Icarus 7
Terrorterran 7
Dota 2
qojqva1639
BananaSlamJamma159
Counter-Strike
zeus1094
byalli689
allub633
markeloff232
edward192
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King55
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor227
Other Games
singsing2469
B2W.Neo1240
hiko861
XBOCT363
crisheroes303
XaKoH 221
Pyrionflax182
Liquid`LucifroN157
Liquid`VortiX127
Fuzer 72
ArmadaUGS63
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream386
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3647
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 15m
Replay Cast
10h 15m
Replay Cast
19h 15m
Afreeca Starleague
20h 15m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 19h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.