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Mojar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia185 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5241
I dont think milkis gets that you cant have a korean run players association covering every league in the entire world.
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5242
On July 22 2011 09:19 lol wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.

I would too if I got cut of all the time.

Well, that's the difference between a regular guy who translates and contributes to the community and another guy who is running a business.

If you can stop the hate towards EG or the blind TL love for Milkis, this is a rather educational show.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5243
OH, THE DISCUSSION HEADS TOWARDS SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE, LETS ADD ANOTHER 20 SUB-TOPICS

User was temp banned for this post.
wat
Chrill
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden91 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5244
On July 22 2011 09:20 holy_war wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.


AG is being a total dick to Milkis by cutting him off numerous times.


Well Milkis is talking, plainly speaking, bullshit right now. Deserves to be cut off. -_-
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5245
On July 22 2011 09:20 gurrpp wrote:
I have to agree with Alex Garfield that you can't just copy the Korean system from broodwar. Historically this kind of thing doesn't turn out well when esports try to go global.


The thing is that has nothing to do with the debate. The shitting on EG is coming from them poaching players.

Now Korea will have contracts thanks to EG.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
felizuno
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States164 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5246
after listening to it, it sounds like Milkis is in a position where he is expected to talk but has nothing to say, just has to argue a counterpoint. What he is saying doesnt make any sense... Not because I think Milkis is stupid (Milkis I ♥ you) but I think his point fell apart a long time ago yet he is stuck in the debate because the show is still on :-(
Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5247
Yeah this is all over the place. They established long ago that PuMa wasn't poached. (Or he was, but it has nothing to do with it anymore). This is a weird mix of developing esports, mixing of foreign/korean teams, player salaries and god knows.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5248
It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5249
On July 22 2011 09:20 gurrpp wrote:
I have to agree with Alex Garfield that you can't just copy the Korean system from broodwar. Historically this kind of thing doesn't turn out well when esports try to go global.


Nobody ever argued that, how the fuck did they end up there anyway?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5250
I wish I could be as smooth talking as the EG guy. I'm probably worse than Milkis, at least he is making good arguments even if he's having problem articulating it.

Hmmm
Mayor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States472 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5251
I dunno, I feel like Milkis is just stuck in the old ways, personally.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5252
On July 22 2011 09:21 Skullflower wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:19 Sqq wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:18 Elefanto wrote:
God fucking damnit AG shut up and let milkis finish his points.
This is so annoying, dear lord, DjWheat please step in and lead the discussion.


Milkis has lost the plot long ago. AG is the only one talking sens.


Even then at least let the man finish a fucking sentence. I think AG just really enjoys hearing himself speak.

They brought him on to speak and defend himself. This is what you get in those situations.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5253
This is boring im done its going in circles, this is just about how he treated the deal with puma/tsl, it is NOT about growing esports globally and its a pointless discussion now :s
thanhbao86
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada199 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5254
Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.
Fat Dragoon
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5255
On July 22 2011 09:21 felizuno wrote:
after listening to it, it sounds like Milkis is in a position where he is expected to talk but has nothing to say, just has to argue a counterpoint. What he is saying doesnt make any sense... Not because I think Milkis is stupid (Milkis I ♥ you) but I think his point fell apart a long time ago yet he is stuck in the debate because the show is still on :-(



Yeah I completely agree, he was taken in because he translated, and is now expected to be the voice of the korean scene and encompass all their opinions.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:23:16
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5256
On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being a dick and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.


Tbh this is what It what it seems more like to me.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 00:22 GMT
#5257
On July 22 2011 09:21 HolyArrow wrote:
It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.


Simply put, they invited the wrong person and is using it to their advantage.
Dear Sixsmith...
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#5258
DJwheat is being a terrible moderator of the discussion / host.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
July 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#5259
Why is everyone making such a big deal about this. The entire issue is just that the TSL coach is upset because they didn't talk to him first. EG thought that they had gone about things the proper way but when realizing TSL was upset, apologized. And now it has turned in to some huge debate about international esports. wtf.
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#5260
On July 22 2011 09:20 Sqq wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:20 SiguR wrote:
I can't fathom how anyone can listen to this and not understand Alex's point. His points are ten times more articulate and well though out than anyone else's here.


Precisely. He works with this every day at a professional level.


I think everyone needs to take a stepback and let go of BW.

Lets be honest.

Is it really best for Korea to be so inclusive? Think it's time to break down that barrier. Korea scared stiff?
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