Well, that's the difference between a regular guy who translates and contributes to the community and another guy who is running a business.

If you can stop the hate towards EG or the blind TL love for Milkis, this is a rather educational show.

Elefanto

Switzerland3584 Posts

July 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#5243

OH, THE DISCUSSION HEADS TOWARDS SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE, LETS ADD ANOTHER 20 SUB-TOPICS

User was temp banned for this post.

Chrill

Sweden91 Posts

July 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#5244

On July 22 2011 09:20 holy_war wrote:

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AG is being a total dick to Milkis by cutting him off numerous times.

Well Milkis is talking, plainly speaking, bullshit right now. Deserves to be cut off. -_-

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

July 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#5245

On July 22 2011 09:20 gurrpp wrote:
I have to agree with Alex Garfield that you can't just copy the Korean system from broodwar. Historically this kind of thing doesn't turn out well when esports try to go global.

The thing is that has nothing to do with the debate. The shitting on EG is coming from them poaching players.

Now Korea will have contracts thanks to EG.

felizuno

United States164 Posts

July 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#5246

after listening to it, it sounds like Milkis is in a position where he is expected to talk but has nothing to say, just has to argue a counterpoint. What he is saying doesnt make any sense... Not because I think Milkis is stupid (Milkis I ♥ you) but I think his point fell apart a long time ago yet he is stuck in the debate because the show is still on :-(

OrchidThief

Denmark2298 Posts

July 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#5247

Yeah this is all over the place. They established long ago that PuMa wasn't poached. (Or he was, but it has nothing to do with it anymore). This is a weird mix of developing esports, mixing of foreign/korean teams, player salaries and god knows.

HolyArrow

United States7116 Posts

July 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#5248

It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.

FliedLice

Germany7494 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5249

Nobody ever argued that, how the fuck did they end up there anyway?

unoriginalname

England380 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5250

I wish I could be as smooth talking as the EG guy. I'm probably worse than Milkis, at least he is making good arguments even if he's having problem articulating it.

Mayor

United States472 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5251

I dunno, I feel like Milkis is just stuck in the old ways, personally.

Serpico

4285 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5252

On July 22 2011 09:21 Skullflower wrote:

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Even then at least let the man finish a fucking sentence. I think AG just really enjoys hearing himself speak.

They brought him on to speak and defend himself. This is what you get in those situations.

nekuodah

England2409 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5253

This is boring im done its going in circles, this is just about how he treated the deal with puma/tsl, it is NOT about growing esports globally and its a pointless discussion now :s

thanhbao86

Canada199 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5254

Contact the god damn coach first. Bam!! Problem solved. This AG dude is just try to drive the conversation away from that.

OrchidThief

Denmark2298 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5255

On July 22 2011 09:21 felizuno wrote:
after listening to it, it sounds like Milkis is in a position where he is expected to talk but has nothing to say, just has to argue a counterpoint. What he is saying doesnt make any sense... Not because I think Milkis is stupid (Milkis I ♥ you) but I think his point fell apart a long time ago yet he is stuck in the debate because the show is still on :-(

Yeah I completely agree, he was taken in because he translated, and is now expected to be the voice of the korean scene and encompass all their opinions.

NexUmbra

Scotland3776 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5256

On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being a dick and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.

Tbh this is what It what it seems more like to me.

EchoZ

Japan5041 Posts

July 22 2011 00:22 GMT

#5257

On July 22 2011 09:21 HolyArrow wrote:
It's incredibly clear what AG is doing. I don't know if he's aware of it or not (sometimes it becomes habitual for some people), but to the observant viewer, AG, is

1. Talking circles around Milkis, overwhelming him with words, also using Milkis, someone else said, as his personal strawman

2. Constantly interrupting

3. Constantly using too many pretty words to say simple things

4. Going down many different tangents and constantly changing points

It's all just cheap spin/debate tactics.

Simply put, they invited the wrong person and is using it to their advantage.

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

July 22 2011 00:23 GMT

#5258

DJwheat is being a terrible moderator of the discussion / host.

DEN1ED

United States1087 Posts

July 22 2011 00:23 GMT

#5259

Why is everyone making such a big deal about this. The entire issue is just that the TSL coach is upset because they didn't talk to him first. EG thought that they had gone about things the proper way but when realizing TSL was upset, apologized. And now it has turned in to some huge debate about international esports. wtf.

Grimsong

United States252 Posts

July 22 2011 00:23 GMT

#5260

On July 22 2011 09:20 Sqq wrote:

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Precisely. He works with this every day at a professional level.

I think everyone needs to take a stepback and let go of BW.

Lets be honest.

Is it really best for Korea to be so inclusive? Think it's time to break down that barrier. Korea scared stiff?