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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5201
I just can't agree with Milkis. There is no way the korean teams are going to want to chance losing their star players to richer organizations..
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5202
Oh my fucking god, AG, please let Milkis talk.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5203
On July 22 2011 09:14 Serene wrote:
While Alex smooth talks this very well, he's avoiding a critical point. His argument is access to Korean Progamers.

As someone pointed out, please explain:

fnatic.Rain
FXOz
FXO and fOu buyout

He's just trying to demonize a culture to justify, in his view, the approach taken with Puma. Which is hilarious.


I can't remember rain but fOu team as a whole were having financial difficulties and seeked help from FXO.
Dear Sixsmith...
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5204
On July 22 2011 09:16 TheAlchemist89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:15 marvin. wrote:
Alex arguing that buying out Koreans is for the greater growth of esports. Personally I think that if a bit more work / money / time was put into the actual FOREIGNER players it would be better for esports.


They put up an EG house... they are working on the Foreign development as well.....

They don't have an EG house right now to my knowledge. They've talked about it for a long time though.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Barkziee
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom138 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5205
On July 22 2011 09:15 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:14 meep wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Eh, I've never really liked people who are really smooth talkers and use that to their advantage. I'm definitely not warming up to Alex at all, here. Usually, being a smooth talker just lets you make yourself appear more "right" than you truly are to the ears of an audience, and it always feels pretty dirty to me.


Usually I like smooth talkers, but I'm getting a "vibe" from Alex that he IS using it negatively (to me) as well. Sigh


Yeah. I mean, I guess I wasn't clear enough: We all have our own moral compasses, and I, like most people, dislike smooth talkers that use their abilities to make positions that go against our own personal moral compasses seem more "right". So yeah, I agree with you totally.


You are completely correct. He uses his positional advantage in terms of his ability to argue a point in his favour more easily than someone who is not in direct opposition, and is also communicating in a 2nd language.

Alex tries constantly to stop Milkis and interrupt him, dashing his confidence, and it doesn't earn him points with me.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5206
On July 22 2011 09:16 dacthehork wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:16 hazelynut wrote:
Is the audience biased or going into this with predisposed beliefs, or is something actually offputting about Alex Garfield's comments? I can't tell.

It's the spin AG is basically spinning the argument in a million different ways to change the topic from what happened.

aka trying to say its about mixing korea/international scene.

Hes re-framing the debate from poaching a player to internationalizing the scene.


It's also the fact that he keeps trying to talk over Milkis. It's annoying as hell, and really illustrates how eager he is to just keep talking to spin things as much as possible.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5207
Milkis isnt really following AGs point I feel.. not his fault though..
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:21:12
July 22 2011 00:17 GMT
#5208
I am all for this. Starcraft is about the players not the team. Puma may have been receiving training, but he was not receiving a salary. This is just a good career move for him. In industry, while you may start out with a low salary while you are trained, it is expected that your salary will increase once you prove your worth, or no-one would hold it against you when you switch companies. I don't understand the demonization of EG, hiring under-payed, over-performing employees from other companies is just standard practice in the real world, and never ask each other for permission first.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5209
God fucking damnit AG shut up and let milkis finish his points.
This is so annoying, dear lord, DjWheat please step in and lead the discussion.
wat
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5210
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5211
On July 22 2011 09:17 Angelbelow wrote:
Milkis isnt really following AGs point I feel.. not his fault though..


Im not even following his point anymore it changes between 4 or 5 different things every few sentences.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5212
Milkis, why do you argue stuff like that with someone who WORKS inside the eSPORTS world for a living ??
Dead girls don't say no.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5213
Yeah Alex is really good at changing the topic away from why people actually are not happy with the way it went.

Milkis and Wheat just keep accommodating him too...
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5214
On July 22 2011 09:07 meep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:05 Barkziee wrote:
This is just like any other situation where they bring out the Alex Garfield card. A situation where Alex can't be properly challenged because he is positioned in a situation where he can express his biased and spun point of view without proper opposition, thus causing the lesser-minded among us to just believe his word on face value.


Quoting this because I honestly feel this to be true.


Who cares? Either he does it this way, or he does it as a written statement and people can't ask for clarification or follow-up questions, it's no worse than the TSL coach releasing a statement where both sides are not invovled.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5215
On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.


I would be mad too if some guy cuts me off every ten seconds and never lets me say a word.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
July 22 2011 00:19 GMT
#5216
Nice to see Djwheat and sirscoots back on track hating on everything/everyone not being a yank. I remember when they ganged up on HLTV.org a year or so ago and totally flamed this very nice guys to death while it was slasher, sirscoots and djwheat and only one single poor guy from hltv taking all the shit they threw at him.
meep
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1699 Posts
July 22 2011 00:19 GMT
#5217
On July 22 2011 09:18 Steamroller wrote:
lol @ Alex being so calm and Milkis starting to rage, at least that's how it sounds.


It's because Alex keeps talking over him, Milkis is trying to talk without being interrupted every other sentence.
閑静 しずか (ノ・_・)ノ
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
July 22 2011 00:19 GMT
#5218
Alex can talk all he wants, i will just wait for the screencap of a msm conversation from two months ago, with him trying to lure others SC2 korean players.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 22 2011 00:19 GMT
#5219
On July 22 2011 09:18 Elefanto wrote:
God fucking damnit AG shut up and let milkis finish his points.
This is so annoying, dear lord, DjWheat please step in and lead the discussion.


Milkis has lost the plot long ago. AG is the only one talking sens.
Dead girls don't say no.
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
July 22 2011 00:19 GMT
#5220
On July 22 2011 09:16 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:16 hazelynut wrote:
Is the audience biased or going into this with predisposed beliefs, or is something actually offputting about Alex Garfield's comments? I can't tell.

It's the spin AG is basically spinning the argument in a million different ways to change the topic from what happened.

aka trying to say its about mixing korea/international scene.

Hes re-framing the debate from poaching a player to internationalizing the scene.


This is not just about the "debate from poaching a player to internationalizing the scene" but also about what is about to happen with the other players in korea.
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