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The Korean Online Invasion - what do you prefer? - Page 2

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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 25 2011 22:26 GMT
#21
The whole point of online tournaments is to have the possibility of the whole world participating, right?

Also, it's not like foreigners can't go to GSL, but GSL isn't online, so that's the main problem. The same way, koreans have to do quite an investment to go to MLG or Dreamhack.
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 25 2011 22:26 GMT
#22
On June 26 2011 07:25 vrok wrote:
If you voted no you should delete your TL account right now and GTFO. It's that simple. There's no reason not to allow them unless you hate high level Starcraft and global communities (the essence of TL). Koreans even have huge disadvantages when participating in foreigner online tournaments.


I voted yes, but this is what I hate, it's such a bullshit situation for foreign players with people who bring this into the equation, it's a no-win situation.

If they win, the Korean obvious had lag and was playing at a shitty time, if they lose, Koreans own foreigners obviously better players playing better.
cactuschewer
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom152 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:28:09
June 25 2011 22:26 GMT
#23
It just ups the competition a lot, sure, it may be a bit disheartening to see an entire top 8 or whatever from the same country but that's just sort of how it is at the moment. It's not like it can't ever be changed, it's if the foreign scene is willing to take the steps to make it change.
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
June 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#24
By introducing koreans into the foreign scene they may dominate for a while - however as metagame starts to merge and foreign players start to work even harder eventually we may see a flood of very capable foreign players invading the GSL.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 25 2011 22:28 GMT
#25
Why do people keep going on about this. I just don't understand why it's such a big deal. It's like TSL being purely European, is that some kind of issue now?
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
June 25 2011 22:29 GMT
#26
If the koreans keep dominating then it's up to the foreigners to train more. If you don't let the koreans in the tournament then there is no reason for the foreigners to train as they still can win and make money. By introducing more competition for that money they have to get better. And it may require forming things like team houses, but we have started to see that happen and I think it's a good thing for development of even higher level competition.
cronican
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada424 Posts
June 25 2011 22:29 GMT
#27
The more clashes we have between Koreans and Foreigners the quicker Foreigners will realize how much better they need to get.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
June 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#28
Well, EU/NA players will just have to step up their game. I don't particularly care, even though I did just close the TSL stream since I don't really care about ZeNEX players duking it out. Then again, I don't really watch noname-Europeans either. Just saw TSL and checked it out.

TL;DR: If the event is cool (Home Story Cup), I'll watch. If it isn't, I'll watch if the players are high profile. If neither is the case,... I stop procrastinating.
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
June 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#29
i think its great that the koreans are competing the best players should be winning no matter where theyre from, i just think its important to preserve some tournaments that cater to masters and not just gm-pro players which could happen if enough koreans play consistently in these tournaments
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:32:25
June 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#30
On June 26 2011 07:20 Mordiford wrote:
By the way, your poll is slightly misleading, IPL isn't explicitly excluding Koreans from the qualifiers which is sort of what that poll option implies, it's a regional limitation to North America and Europe, players in other regions can't play for logistics reasons but the IPL has expressed interest in expanding to more regions in the future. It's very different from, "No koreans should be invited".


Well, they do. Koreans with NA accounts couldn't participate in the IPL Season 2. To quote Alex from IGN:

"No, you must be living in EU/NA/LA to play."

I know that IPL have interest in expanding, but right now it's very exclusive to people living in EU/NA/LA.
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MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
June 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#31
I can understand how it might be frustrating for foreign players, but its going to be good for the game in the long run.

Non-Koreans are going to have to either step up, and bring their play to the Korean's level, or get left in the dust.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#32
On June 26 2011 07:30 TheSilverfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:20 Mordiford wrote:
By the way, your poll is slightly misleading, IPL isn't explicitly excluding Koreans from the qualifiers which is sort of what that poll option implies, it's a regional limitation to North America and Europe, players in other regions can't play for logistics reasons but the IPL has expressed interest in expanding to more regions in the future. It's very different from, "No koreans should be invited".


Well, they do. Koreans with NA accounts couldn't participate in the IPL Season 2. To quote Alex from IGN:

"No, you must be living in EU/NA/LA to play."

I know that IPL have interest in expanding, but right now it's very exclusive to people living in EU/NA/LA.


Thanks for this clarification, definitely boycotting the IPL from now on.
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:34:18
June 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#33
On June 26 2011 07:30 TheSilverfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:20 Mordiford wrote:
By the way, your poll is slightly misleading, IPL isn't explicitly excluding Koreans from the qualifiers which is sort of what that poll option implies, it's a regional limitation to North America and Europe, players in other regions can't play for logistics reasons but the IPL has expressed interest in expanding to more regions in the future. It's very different from, "No koreans should be invited".


Well, they do. Koreans with NA accounts couldn't participate in the IPL Season 2. To quote Alex from IGN:

"No, you must be living in EU/NA/LA to play."


Yeah, that's a region lock, that's not, "No koreans allowed" as the poll implies when listing IPL. It was done for logistics reasons and they hope to expand to new regions in the future(including Korea). People in Japan, Australia etc weren't allowed to play either, it was regional.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
June 25 2011 22:37 GMT
#34
On June 26 2011 07:26 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:25 vrok wrote:
If you voted no you should delete your TL account right now and GTFO. It's that simple. There's no reason not to allow them unless you hate high level Starcraft and global communities (the essence of TL). Koreans even have huge disadvantages when participating in foreigner online tournaments.


I voted yes, but this is what I hate, it's such a bullshit situation for foreign players with people who bring this into the equation, it's a no-win situation.

If they win, the Korean obvious had lag and was playing at a shitty time, if they lose, Koreans own foreigners obviously better players playing better.

The truth hurts I guess..? That doesn't make it less true though. They do have lag and play at shitty times, regardless if it's the reason for their loss or not.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 25 2011 22:37 GMT
#35
I think it's great that Koreans are playing in foreign tourney's. I like watching the best players compete, foreigner or Korean. Hopefully if the Koreans dominate these tournaments enough, foreigners will start to train harder to keep up.
GuTTuRaLPanda
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:38:36
June 25 2011 22:37 GMT
#36
On June 26 2011 07:29 cronican wrote:
The more clashes we have between Koreans and Foreigners the quicker Foreigners will realize how much better they need to get.


I dont think this will happen. I think if the foreigners want to get as good as the koreans, they will have to up the competition between themselves, because the koreans are allready too far ahead. Sure, there are the very best players of every country (say whitera kas of ukraine, nani jinro of swe etc etc etc) but we dont have nearly as many high level players as them, and we wont get simply because our society and the economy of most foreign "progamers" does not allow for the same kind of training environment as the koreans.
2) Gundam's shit incident. During the OGN Proleague, Gundam paused the game and started spamming. At first no one saw what it was but he typed WC WC WC WC WC and went off to take a shit during a game. This also gave him the nick name "shit terran"- ShaRp
Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
June 25 2011 22:37 GMT
#37
woot more Koreans, foreign scene taking over the korean scene
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 25 2011 22:38 GMT
#38
On June 26 2011 07:33 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:30 TheSilverfox wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:20 Mordiford wrote:
By the way, your poll is slightly misleading, IPL isn't explicitly excluding Koreans from the qualifiers which is sort of what that poll option implies, it's a regional limitation to North America and Europe, players in other regions can't play for logistics reasons but the IPL has expressed interest in expanding to more regions in the future. It's very different from, "No koreans should be invited".


Well, they do. Koreans with NA accounts couldn't participate in the IPL Season 2. To quote Alex from IGN:

"No, you must be living in EU/NA/LA to play."


Yeah, that's a region lock, that's not, "No koreans allowed" as the poll implies when listing IPL. It was done for logistics reasons and they hope to expand to new regions in the future(including Korea). People in Japan, Australia etc weren't allowed to play either, it was regional.


It's still blatantly discriminatory. "Logistics" issues implies laziness or lack of interest in ensuring equality of opportunity and fair competition. There isn't actually any real burden on the tournament hosts to allow people from outside regional boundaries who own NA accounts to play, so I have lost a ton of respect for IGN for having done this.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 25 2011 22:39 GMT
#39
On June 26 2011 07:37 vrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 07:26 Mordiford wrote:
On June 26 2011 07:25 vrok wrote:
If you voted no you should delete your TL account right now and GTFO. It's that simple. There's no reason not to allow them unless you hate high level Starcraft and global communities (the essence of TL). Koreans even have huge disadvantages when participating in foreigner online tournaments.


I voted yes, but this is what I hate, it's such a bullshit situation for foreign players with people who bring this into the equation, it's a no-win situation.

If they win, the Korean obvious had lag and was playing at a shitty time, if they lose, Koreans own foreigners obviously better players playing better.

The truth hurts I guess..? That doesn't make it less true though. They do have lag and play at shitty times, regardless if it's the reason for their loss or not.


Yeah, I'm just pointing out it blows for foreign players in that regardless of whether they win or lose, they'll get flack, if they win their opponent had lag and bad time so they had a huge advantage and if they lose then they suck in comparison, they can't really come out looking good.
Nontrivial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States56 Posts
June 25 2011 22:39 GMT
#40
When I watch a tournament I want to see the best games and the best players. If the Koreans can do that then they should be in the tournament.
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