EPTThe Korean Online Invasion - what do you prefer? - Page 20
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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Cade)Flayer
United Kingdom279 Posts
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cfoy3
United States129 Posts
Most people are basically boiling the arguments down to "racist!" or "just practice more". Lol. Difficult for foreign pros to practice more when they might have to make a living doing eSports related work or just a plain old job, while many Koreans get a place to stay on the cheap or even free when they join a team. I feel this is a legitmate concern as well. Any one else have a compelling argument against this? | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On June 27 2011 02:43 cfoy3 wrote: I feel this is a legitmate concern as well. Any one else have a compelling argument against this? Koreans don´t join to teams for free, all of those perks come after they practice and practice and prove themeselves as worthy talent. Its not as if its easy for the Koreans to get on a proteam, and hell many of the current teams didn´t have any kind of salary until recently. Its not all sunshine and rainbows for them, they give up a lot of stuff just for the chance to be there. As for other income, I do know some Koreans do stream, but i don´t know about coaching or casting gigs, but as I said its a grueling process for them to get those perks that give them the edge.And its not like it was different in BW the ones who wanted to go pro practiced a lot just for the chance to one day be able to get their license. Also its a stupid argument because we have seen more and more pro houses pop out and more full time SC2 players so its not like they can´t focus on practicing as much as the Koreans. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On June 27 2011 01:29 Evangelist wrote: You just can't practice like Koreans do in the West without being in the top 50 or so. Prior to that, commitments are going to stop you. University, a family, or so on. There just isn't the culture. As an example, chess prodigies are usually nurtured in school. It is not the skill of players that needs to grow - we've watched Naniwa, Tarson and HuK take games (and series) off MC during the HSC. It is the support players get to engage in competitive Starcraft. Not just the top 50. If you are in medium to high Masters and Grand Masters and even particularly gifted lower league players that are just good at the game despite playing 3 games a week, you should be a prospect. If anyone questions this, just look how many people churn through the footballing academies every year. Same thing happens in Korea, as i said in my above post, the top is the one getting most of the benefits, maybe they are more easily scouted but IIRC the GOMTV guy(Dr Chae?) talked about how if th Western scene wanted to be more sustainable they needed to give new talent a chance, instead of making all their tourneys invite only. | ||
Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
People still have the conception (rightfully so) that Koreans are way better than foreigners, and it's totally awesome to see a foreigner beat someone like Nestea or Boxer like in TSL3... | ||
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TangYiChen
Korea (South)195 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On June 26 2011 18:57 navara wrote: so "Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner" either imply that i think they should be restricted or that korean are magically endowed with cash? i can undestand you have a hard time with my poor english. but you'd better not talk about logic if not. I didn't realize that you'd forgotten your own rhetorical question. Also, in English, there's a big difference between "restricted" and "banned"  I don't know. Maybe it's the English that leads me to believe you're flipflopping like a dying carp on a beach somewhere. I understand French to some degree, if that's easier for you. On June 26 2011 16:19 navara wrote: it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner. we're not discussing that they should be banned cuz of being korean (at least i hope). i agree that the best player should win but to be concerned with the growth of foreigner esports, if we consider that korean will always be better than foreigner because they are playing much more, then we will never see anything else than korean win any tournies. and is that good for said growth of esports? | ||
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navara
France95 Posts
On June 27 2011 03:21 acker wrote: I didn't realize that you'd forgotten your own rhetorical question. Also, in English, there's a big difference between "restricted" and "banned" rhetorical ? ok, you're a troll. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
See PM >< | ||
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
Naniwa said eu players suck and he wants to go to korea to play vs the best. That is the mentality you need as a non korean progamer, and gl to all those who want to take the jump. Also, if a second rate player such as destiny (i watch his stream and he is good but not in the top top league yet) can pull in 4k viewers and earn a living off streaming, then the cream of the crop top players can also do the same if they stream. Sorry no excuses here. If you want something badly then you put your 'all' into it. You don't put 50% and expect results. Also don't progamers have parents? why can't they live with them? | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
^ Programers living with their parents is a joke i'm sorry. If esports is to grow, so needs the stability of income of a programer. We can't have 20 + year old programers living of their parents' jobs. | ||
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
But seeing them own a TL Open which is supposed to give a chance to newcomers is definitely not a good idea... Edit: Apolo, check my last blog entry to take a look at people's thoughts on this. | ||
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svi
405 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:00 Apolo wrote: Perahps the prizes should be more spread out, up to 10 positions, depending on the size of player pool, so professional players can have a more steady income, and make a living out of it, without having to rely on a one time podium to support themselves for a long time. ^ Programers living with their parents is a joke i'm sorry. If esports is to grow, so needs the stability of income of a programer. We can't have 20 + year old programers living of their parents' jobs. the income will always be a joke. it's progaming after all. it's not supposed to be a career position, it's supposed to be a life-long passion. even in korea, only about 15-20 players make a decent amount of money while there are hundreds slaving away for 8 hours a day with no reward. if anything, the americans and europeans have it off easy. they can just devote 1/10 of the effort the koreans do to become a top player and they can exploit that to make some good money off streaming and tutoring. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 27 2011 02:43 cfoy3 wrote: I feel this is a legitmate concern as well. Any one else have a compelling argument against this? This is not just a problem of the players. Korea has great personalities who took on a debt to form and fund an sc2 team, enanbling players in their team to focus only on playing while they pay the bills. This is pretty unheard of outside the Korean scene. But now that players and teams start to band together, we might see some better results in near future. Fnatic/Root has a team house, EG has a team house and TLO just formed one recently with other players. I think I saw a video where Socke was shown in a team house as well, not sure about that, though. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:15 Itsmedudeman wrote: dey took our jerbs!! Hahaha awesome reply. ^^ Yeah I just wish foreigners would get their shit together and start practising hardcore in hardcore practice houses like Koreans did. I guess that's sort of what's going on atm but Koreans are still ahead. Just not by far. It's a bit weird that players from different teams are practising with each other though. Ah well things will get better. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
I think that's a sufficient answer to this thread. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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