EPTThe Korean Online Invasion - what do you prefer? - Page 18
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sefio
103 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
i mean stuff like mlg is awesome now imagine that mlg only had online qualifers.. then at event there would be like 0 americans lol why would americans want to watch it ? i mean i wouldnt mind watching a portuguese guy getting rotflstomped in a cup i dont care but i would watch it cause people like to see people that they cant identify with.. i think that if there are regional qualifiers then make them regional.. like those zenex guys if there was a korean regional they would go nowhere.. and you guys are saying they are the best ?... what would you guys prefer watching a 20 koreans final or a finals with the best of each region battling it out ? i mean why did people loved the team war of World vs Koreans ? just saying... | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Small tournaments (weekly zotac, go4sc, ...) I dont want to see them participating. I see those tournaments as a way to foster new & upcoming foreign players, some way to motivate them. It's especially important since most western tournaments are invite only so it's another way to demonstrate talent / skill. A good example would be Stephano who participated in a lot of small tournaments and got invited to the Homestory Cup 3 + Show Spoiler [HSC3] + and is doing well with wins over White-Ra, Huk, Jinro I doubt he would've been invited or even motivated to put so much time in SC2 if he would be dominated by Korean B-teamers. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On June 26 2011 20:48 GizmoPT wrote: i really thinking that koreans europeans dominating US tournaments wont help starcraft grow but ok i mean stuff like mlg is awesome now imagine that mlg only had online qualifers.. then at event there would be like 0 americans lol why would americans want to watch it ? i mean i wouldnt mind watching a portuguese guy getting rotflstomped in a cup i dont care but i would watch it cause people like to see people that they cant identify with.. i think that if there are regional qualifiers then make them regional.. like those zenex guys if there was a korean regional they would go nowhere.. and you guys are saying they are the best ?... what would you guys prefer watching a 20 koreans final or a finals with the best of each region battling it out ? i mean why did people loved the team war of World vs Koreans ? just saying... on the other hand would it be fun watching games that you know are not top lvl? why do you think premier league and spanish liga are so popular? it's because they are the best leagues, not because ppl in china or wherever can identify with them... The Chinese league isnt popular at all here, cause ppl know the teams suck... Would be the same with sc, if you know all players in foreign cups suck, sure you will have some viewers, but most fans would focus on the top leagues probably... This also forces the western players to try and compete with the koreans which keeps their lvl higher as well I guess...  didnt really read the rest of the topic, but i guess this has all been said before | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
It's just so much harder for foreigners to train in a similar environment as the Koreans. The teams here basically can't have a team house cause all the players live in different countries and many study/go to school/work and it's much harder to fully commit to sc2. And we will likely never have a ladder with Korean quality either. Obviously solutions have to be found to improve the foreign scene but I don't think Koreans taking all the prize money and fame (-> sponsors) is one of them. Everyone who watches Homestory Cup should also realize how much more interesting it is to see the foreigners interact and commentate games and so on. Sadly there IS a big language barrier (and also a cultural barrier) which will inevitably make Koreans more boring for us outside of the game itself. | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On June 26 2011 08:45 unSpeake wrote: Koreans are now going to win every single tournament that isn't a local LAN tourney, and even some of those (homestory) are going to be taken over. Good bye to foreigners winning anything! People who practice a lot and correctly will always do well (like Naniwa). I don't see why artificially limiting the players to lazy whiners who practice 3 hours a day and have the nerve to still call themselves progamers (like Idra) is beneficial to anyone. It's a competitive game, players like that should be filtered out of the pool for the viewers's pleasure, which is why E-sports exist. I don't agree with especially accomodating Koreans and treating them favorably like it sometimes seems to happen, but large tournaments should be open for everyone who wants to participate. | ||
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whamm
67 Posts
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
This is exactly why Rain joined MSI instead of a korean team (methinkz). Anyhow it's good for spectators for awesome gaimz but pretty sad for good "foreigners" because they just can't compete on their level yet (yes HuK won Dreamhack beating alot of koreans but we can all say that HuK is a korean-gamer). I bet most koreans that join these tournaments just want some extra money and general good "practice" for GSL Might aswell play tournaments to practice than to spam ladder yeah? :D | ||
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
But i really dont like online tournaments that accept any player from any region. They usually produce alot of bad games cuz of latency....and its hard for me to watch.... So online tourneys should have a rule where participants should live in the same region IMO to be able to play.... the worst games Ive seen in tourneys are NASL, TSL etc TSL was broadcasted with replays so any form of lag is hard to spot (but you can see it in micro battles etc.. if they did it live....the event would be awful cuz of the latency issues would be more evident in the korean games) NASL though is prerecorded live and almost every korean game was a big lag fest and an utter dissapointment. and the best games are the "offline" ones, such as MLG, Dreamhack, GSL etc.... | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:10 MassIncestor wrote: awesome, the best players should participate i don't care about nationality, but skill Exactly, e-sport is one of the only sport were viewers don't support players because of their nationality ! | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:48 Cosmos wrote: Exactly, e-sport is one of the only sport were viewers don't support players because of their nationality ! That's so not true. Just because the majority of the TL forum doesn't do that for SC2 doesn't mean nobody does it in all esports. I support Germans/EU players more, so at least that's not true for me | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:26 provrorsbarn wrote: I wanna see the best players win ofc...I dont mind koreans etc. But i really dont like online tournaments that accept any player from any region. They usually produce alot of bad games cuz of latency....and its hard for me to watch.... So online tourneys should have a rule where participants should live in the same region IMO to be able to play.... the worst games Ive seen in tourneys are NASL, TSL etc TSL was broadcasted with replays so any form of lag is hard to spot (but you can see it in micro battles etc.. if they did it live....the event would be awful cuz of the latency issues would be more evident in the korean games) NASL though is prerecorded live and almost every korean game was a big lag fest and an utter dissapointment. and the best games are the "offline" ones, such as MLG, Dreamhack, GSL etc.... The NASL Season had a lot of terrible games for sure. But the Open Tournament qualifier had some awesome games. I think it's a lot more to do with very little being on the line in the regular season so players aren't as bothered. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:07 Carnagath wrote: People who practice a lot and correctly will always do well (like Naniwa). I don't see why artificially limiting the players to lazy whiners who practice 3 hours a day and have the nerve to still call themselves progamers (like Idra) is beneficial to anyone. It's a competitive game, players like that should be filtered out of the pool for the viewers's pleasure, which is why E-sports exist. I don't agree with especially accomodating Koreans and treating them favorably like it sometimes seems to happen, but large tournaments should be open for everyone who wants to participate. Naniwa hasn't really proven yet he can compete with the Koreans. There's a big difference between playing in a tournament where there's one Korean and one where you're beating nothing but Koreans. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Yeah, I thought so. The growth of E-Sports lies in the large number of tournaments that are going on; look to your right and you'll see one almost every minute. Expecting tournaments to start banning Koreans for being "too good" is absurd. They have so much to gain, from the publicity to the quality of games, by having Koreans compete. There are no advantages to banning Koreans; it just ushers in accusations of racism/xenophobia. Despite all the arguments thrown around, tournaments aren't going to throw away the advantage of having so many Korean players compete. There's likely to be little to no response to all these pleas of protectionism. The simple solution (the only solution) is basically: Practice more. Play better. Pick up Korean playstyles or learn how to counter them. Cheer on and encourage your favorite foreigners. | ||
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Modulen
Sweden38 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
I think part of why Korea utterly dominated Broodwar was because of how little Foreigners played with Koreans. You have to play against the best to become the best. | ||
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
On June 26 2011 22:51 Zzoram wrote: I feel like having to play against Koreans will push Foreigners to step up their game and actually get good. That's good for everyone, because then there will be more good Foreigners. I think part of why Korea utterly dominated Broodwar was because of how little Foreigners played with Koreans. You have to play against the best to become the best. i agree. And any players that whine against koreans in foreigners tournaments should stop playing SC2. Simple as that. If you don't want to compete against the best players, why are you still playing? | ||
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Kaz_Coaching
United States83 Posts
It is a big sacrifice to give up social aspects and a job/money in hopes of winning a tournament and making a name to gain sponsorship.. Why sponsor a nobody who has doesn't have tournament titles? How is a nobody supposed to have the finances to play SC like it's a full time job? Look at basketball in the US for example. New talent is trained in high school, college can be paid for with sponsorships, and the truly great players go on to make millions in the NBA. You don't see high school players competing against NBA players. Of course people want to watch the best, but only supporting the best also means that the sport will become stagnant and eventually die out. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 26 2011 20:55 Zocat wrote: Big tournaments like NASL / TSL Qualifiers - let them participate. Small tournaments (weekly zotac, go4sc, ...) I dont want to see them participating. I see those tournaments as a way to foster new & upcoming foreign players, some way to motivate them. It's especially important since most western tournaments are invite only so it's another way to demonstrate talent / skill. A good example would be Stephano who participated in a lot of small tournaments and got invited to the Homestory Cup 3 + Show Spoiler [HSC3] + and is doing well with wins over White-Ra, Huk, Jinro I doubt he would've been invited or even motivated to put so much time in SC2 if he would be dominated by Korean B-teamers. I seriously hope that the tournament organizers aren't ignorant enough to look over somebody who is amonst the top players of his region just because he traditionally finishes behind Koreans. | ||
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