On June 26 2011 07:25 vrok wrote: If you voted no you should delete your TL account right now and GTFO. It's that simple. There's no reason not to allow them unless you hate high level Starcraft and global communities (the essence of TL). Koreans even have huge disadvantages when participating in foreigner online tournaments.
I voted yes, but this is what I hate, it's such a bullshit situation for foreign players with people who bring this into the equation, it's a no-win situation.
If they win, the Korean obvious had lag and was playing at a shitty time, if they lose, Koreans own foreigners obviously better players playing better.
But they are playing with lag and at shitty times (NASL at least). This is undeniable. We have live events like MLG, Dreamhack, NASL finals where players battle it out on equal grounds with no handicaps, etc. In this case there are no excuses. Sure you can say MC was jetlagged or Idra would've won if he was in a better mental state, blah blah but these are excuses anyone can make.
I love watching the best so love watching the koreans. I hope they win all foreign tournies and that koreans finish top 4 in NASL to win a majority of the money cause they deserve it for putting in more work and practice compared to foreigners.
With so many tournies no one can watch all tournies, so I only watch the gsl and the only foreign tournies I watch are the ones with koreans in it, so no stuff like IPL or eg master's cup for me cause the play is just too low level to enjoy relative to koreans.
Hoping 8 more koreans qualify for NASL in the next open tourney. I don't mind more koreans in NASL because we actually don't get to see koreans play that much. Like in GSL if someone like mkp makes the finals you get to see him play like 5 or 6 best of X series over a month? The more mkp games I can watch the better! And this goes for all the other koreans I enjoy watching.
players like Rain have realized where the free money is. i'm expecting a few more koreans to follow him once they see rain pillaging american tournaments for cash.
I'd rather have a competitive competition than a global one.
I've watched all the Clash of the Houses, I love GSL, I love Korean players and no-one can compete against them.
Maybe a few absolute A-teamers can go toe to toe with a Korean B Teamer but 99 times out of a hundred a no-name korean will decimate foreign competition.
I don't mind invitationals, and I love high level competition but the small cups are real grass roots stuff and it's a good way to smother the foreign scene in its infancy.
On June 26 2011 07:55 svi wrote: to be honest, not even IPL is gonna be safe.
players like Rain have realized where the free money is. i'm expecting a few more koreans to follow him once they see rain pillaging american tournaments for cash.
The IPL has already said they're interested in expanding to more regions in the future anyway so eventually players will have to compete with Koreans in more and more tournaments. It's rough, we'll see how it goes, hopefully foreigners can step up their game and compete.
On June 26 2011 07:52 Mordiford wrote: [...] for fairness they'd have to switch servers between games which could hurt the quality of the games and be an unnecessary hassle.
No? The koreans would obviously still play in it if all games were played on NA. They are showing right now that they can still dominate tournaments with the lag on NA. There are no server-changes for EU-NA-matches or are there? This is just a really weak argument tbh.
I love it. If they get top 4 in every single tournament, it's because they deserve to. The end result is either way that we get a higher quality of participants and games. It can also only serve to help improve the foreigner pro-gamers, by way of exposure to the Korean pro-gamers.
i am for fair chances for everyone, but watching korean games is pretty boring, as they only play standard, well except at the very top level, there even standard can look interesting. Koreans vs foreigners is also blerg. Creativ play suprises, then cheese and hope the mistake is done and it will be a standard game in the 3rd match hehe.
I don't mind the korean domination alot, the result will probably be that international tournaments die out for a short duration sc2 becomes more popular in korea and they will focus there again. Result will be a bwlike situation hopefully. (i prefer watching creativ gameplay rather then super effectiv all the time)
Well we will see if the training houses for foreigners will bring success, but at the end that will mean that foreigners will play as boring as koreans. Which is still better then watching my replays though . Just hope i can still watch the cool players often
i think it's cool that theyre keen on winning money in the international scene because its obviously much easier picking as of right now at least. i just hope that the top foreigners respond appropriately and manage to put up an impressive fight, else we're just going to have predictable results all around. i hope the most promising foreigners dont follow idra's example and reduce practice time to 3 hours a day though, else the foreign scene is gonna be pretty depressing for a while. T.T
On June 26 2011 07:52 JustPassingBy wrote: Then the team managers need to start looking for people who placed the highest after the Koreans. From them, I expect at least this much common sense.
Unlikely they want to take on people finishing 8th or something like that in online tournaments filled with koreans, with no potential to win anything soon. Better to have competitions with a good distribution of skill.
On June 26 2011 07:52 Mordiford wrote: [...] for fairness they'd have to switch servers between games which could hurt the quality of the games and be an unnecessary hassle.
No? The koreans would obviously still play in it if all games were played on NA. They are showing right now that they can still dominate tournaments with the lag on NA. There are no server-changes for EU-NA-matches or are there? This is just a really weak argument tbh.
Not saying they wouldn't play, I'm saying it wouldn't be fair for them and some tournaments are more interested in maintaining absolute fairness regardless, I don't really care about this argument itself, I think that if Koreans want to play on the NA server, they can take the handicap.
What if they gave each team a Salary cap, so they couldn't boaster a large number of professional koraens and would have to harbor a few less talented players along with the powerhouses.
On a related note, we should totally get rid of the "foreigner" terminology.
It was appropriate for BW, but it doesn't really work for SC2.
We have the NA scene, we have the EU scene, we have the (emerging) CN scene, we have the KR scene. And while one region is stronger than any other right now, top players from each region can and will take games and series off of each other. Dividing this into two scenes (with the CN players somewhere in between...) doesn't do the situation justice. It's simply not appropriate anymore.
i like the tsl way. from my perspective, i care about watching the best of the best play. i dont care if he has more technique and deserves to win, i cheer for people i like. i am more familiar with foreigners so i choose to root for them. of course nothing makes me happier than foreigners beating koreans so you gotta have them along the way.
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