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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
 When does the viper come out, because if it is lair tech then you would get detection at the normal speed, unless it came out of the spire......... oh god if this comes out of the spire, detection will not be present for ages! im starting to worry now :O | ||
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
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Iatrik
Germany159 Posts
Terrans need to get Starport-Tech for real mobile detection... So where is the problem? If you don't go Robo as P , you just lose to cloak/burrow etc.. So it'll be just fair, if you don't go Spire as Z , you lose to these situations as well. Getting detection should be a consideration while choosing your tech. Not taken for granted. Even the terran scan is only temporary, since they have no static ground-to-ground defence that can detect. | ||
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Jim7
United States154 Posts
Edit: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/hots-multiplayer-zerg-first-impressions/ Viper Requires: Lair Cost: 100/200 | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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j0ker
275 Posts
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
And you could always build turrets where you want while covering the construction time with scans. Edit : There is a very simple solution, keep overseers (what is wrong with them anyways? I never saw anyone complain about them, and since they cost 50/50 I've seen them in a lot of pro games) and take the silly detection spell away from th viper. That way Blizzard can balance the viper without being hindered by the detection problem. | ||
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j0ker
275 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:44 Iatrik wrote: Protoss need to get Robo-Tech for real mobile detection... Terrans need to get Starport-Tech for real mobile detection... So where is the problem? If you don't go Robo as P , you just lose to cloak/burrow etc.. So it'll be just fair, if you don't go Spire as Z , you lose to these situations as well. Getting detection should be a consideration while choosing your tech. Not taken for granted. Even the terran scan is only temporary, since they have no static ground-to-ground defence that can detect. dude do u realize how long it takes to make spire.. | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:50 NeonFox wrote: They can't keep it that way, 200 gas for the first mobile detection is too much. And please stop saying it's the same for terrans with ravens, they have SCANS it's ridiculous saying it's the same. And you could always build turrets where you want while covering the construction time with scans. It is 200 gas for infinity detectors AND a good all around unit. Zerg detection will be better than ever. | ||
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j0ker
275 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:50 NeonFox wrote: They can't keep it that way, 200 gas for the first mobile detection is too much. And please stop saying it's the same for terrans with ravens, they have SCANS it's ridiculous saying it's the same. And you could always build turrets where you want while covering the construction time with scans. Edit : There is a very simple solution, keep overseers (what is wrong with them anyways? I never saw anyone complain about them, and since they cost 50/50 I've seen them in a lot of pro games) and take the silly detection spell away from th viper. That way Blizzard can balance the viper without being hindered by the detection problem. i disagree as the viper looks to be a staple unit and static detection is just fine at that stage in the game, but i agree with your point about the overseer. it had a pretty solid and balanced role after the latest patch IMO. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:54 DeltruS wrote: It is 200 gas for infinity detectors AND a good all around unit. Zerg detection will be better than ever. too good  I doubt it goes through personally... I also doubt its other move goes through.. the pull one. | ||
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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
Now it has a spell called Ocular Parasite that gives detection to other units but have seen nowhere where it says it has detection itself. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:44 Iatrik wrote: Protoss need to get Robo-Tech for real mobile detection... Terrans need to get Starport-Tech for real mobile detection... So where is the problem? If you don't go Robo as P , you just lose to cloak/burrow etc.. So it'll be just fair, if you don't go Spire as Z , you lose to these situations as well. Getting detection should be a consideration while choosing your tech. Not taken for granted. Even the terran scan is only temporary, since they have no static ground-to-ground defence that can detect. Yea, except robo tech is what you want to actually do anyways. Spire tech sucks. Its like putting obs at stargate tech. You need to go out of the way for it or you lose to some banshees, but if you do then your midgame army is either slow or shit. So in a way, it's like saying that it comes at infestation pit since that's what you want anyways. Except even not really because ZERG TECH TAKES TWICE AS LONG AS THE OTHER RACES. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:54 DeltruS wrote: It is 200 gas for infinity detectors AND a good all around unit. Zerg detection will be better than ever. Did you read the stuff from the panel? It's a one time spell. Edit : source http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/21/official-list-of-unit-changes-in-starcraft-iis-heart-of-the-swarm-expansion/ | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:44 Iatrik wrote: Protoss need to get Robo-Tech for real mobile detection... Terrans need to get Starport-Tech for real mobile detection... So where is the problem? If you don't go Robo as P , you just lose to cloak/burrow etc.. So it'll be just fair, if you don't go Spire as Z , you lose to these situations as well. Getting detection should be a consideration while choosing your tech. Not taken for granted. Even the terran scan is only temporary, since they have no static ground-to-ground defence that can detect. Terran and Protoss is nothing like Zerg. You don't have to get more bases than your opponent as Terran or Protoss to be able to throw cost inefficient units at the opponent Thats why we need early bases in the early game, expanding to a 3rd teching to lair and building a spire just won't work to tell DTs waiting at the 3rd to piss off. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On October 22 2011 18:03 NeonFox wrote: Did you read the stuff from the panel? It's a one time spell. Thats not what everyone has been saying.... if so then I guess thats more manageable... | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:54 DeltruS wrote: It is 200 gas for infinity detectors AND a good all around unit. Zerg detection will be better than ever. I stand corrected. Reread the changes and it's a 1 time use spell. However, if it's impossible to tell which unit has the detection, then it could still be really powerful. We'll just have to see, and Zergs may have to make the same sacrifice as Terrans and build their detector buildings for reliable detection early game. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On October 22 2011 18:04 aksfjh wrote: I stand corrected. Reread the changes and it's a 1 time use spell. However, if it's impossible to tell which unit has the detection, then it could still be really powerful. We'll just have to see, and Zergs may have to make the same sacrifice as Terrans and build their detector buildings for reliable detection early game. I'm not even sure that this choose a hero detection unit is a good thing for zerg. what unit should be the detector. A random roach which I now have to keep out of the battle? I lose a fighting unit or it might die randomly? I feel like the only good option is indeed the overlord in which case u also need speed. so lair + spire + viper + speed. that does not make sense imo | ||
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