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Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 25 2010 17:13 GMT
#81
Nothing is good is going to come out of this thread, it's just going to turn into a flame war.

It would be better to revisit this topic in 6 months, and then see where the countries stand then.
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St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 25 2010 17:14 GMT
#82
where is Polish people?, they were such a powerhouse in bw for many years...

also as usual, people forgets about china, just because their circuit is kinda closed and we know very little about them, but they have many good players
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Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
August 25 2010 17:16 GMT
#83
Korea > US > Sweden > Canada > Others
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Jamaica757 Posts
August 25 2010 17:19 GMT
#84
On August 26 2010 00:50 PhiliBiRD wrote:
haha, someone is apparently biased against Americans..way to show it so blatantly.
6 of the top 10 on ladder right now are from US. all with win % that are just as good.

regardless i dont think it has anything to do with your country of origin. thats ignorant as shit to believe.


Just cause 6 of the players are on the US server does not mean they are american, SLush and HuK are both canadian.
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eiswand
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany44 Posts
August 25 2010 17:20 GMT
#85
I have the feeling the USA is more into shooters. Maybe RTS are too complex for many of them?
CookieFactory
Profile Joined June 2010
United States43 Posts
August 25 2010 17:21 GMT
#86
Why is IdrA counted for the USA? If anything, he should be counted for Korea.
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
August 25 2010 17:26 GMT
#87
On August 26 2010 00:55 retro-noob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 00:52 Ketara wrote:
Part of it is that it's easier in some of those countries to spend all your time gaming.

I've been told by my Swedish and German friends before that some people in said countries only work every other year, live off of welfare programs on the off-years, and spend that time playing WoW and other games.

TLO quit college in order to play Starcraft. From an Americans perspective, that seems crazy as hell to do, especially before you get some sort of pro contract. In order to make a living off of starcraft you'd have to be winning a major tournament every month here, and even that might only barely pay the bills.

But in Germany I think it's possible to actually do that.

Don't want to turn this into a political discussion btw, just sayin'


Interesting. That makes sense that differences in social programs and social norms would play a big role.

Anyone who can verify or add to this or who can add insight for other countries?

Those are extremes, but I think its happening.
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eiswand
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany44 Posts
August 25 2010 17:38 GMT
#88
On August 26 2010 02:26 gm.tOSS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 00:55 retro-noob wrote:
On August 26 2010 00:52 Ketara wrote:
Part of it is that it's easier in some of those countries to spend all your time gaming.

I've been told by my Swedish and German friends before that some people in said countries only work every other year, live off of welfare programs on the off-years, and spend that time playing WoW and other games.

TLO quit college in order to play Starcraft. From an Americans perspective, that seems crazy as hell to do, especially before you get some sort of pro contract. In order to make a living off of starcraft you'd have to be winning a major tournament every month here, and even that might only barely pay the bills.

But in Germany I think it's possible to actually do that.

Don't want to turn this into a political discussion btw, just sayin'


Interesting. That makes sense that differences in social programs and social norms would play a big role.

Anyone who can verify or add to this or who can add insight for other countries?

Those are extremes, but I think its happening.

Yes, its definitely an extreme and not the standard. Germany has a very good health/social system and its easily possible to have a good life without working. Though its very unlikely and I have never heard of any progamer that "abused" the system to be able to play the whole day. Most of the progamers I know are at the university and play in their freetime and quit when they got they exams.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 25 2010 17:40 GMT
#89
Yay Canada!!
Comparing population to top players we have the best ratio!
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rS.Sinatra
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada785 Posts
August 25 2010 17:44 GMT
#90
On August 26 2010 00:54 infinity21 wrote:
Canadians are obviously genetically superior to other countries.


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cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
August 25 2010 17:46 GMT
#91
On August 26 2010 02:40 Mykill wrote:
Yay Canada!!
Comparing population to top players we have the best ratio!


Sweden. By far.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 25 2010 17:48 GMT
#92
the problem is, what we consider "top players" and in reality who are the real "top players" barely any Koreans have been invited to "international" events, and the ones invited were done so on administrative bias, not overall skill level. Chinese, Australians (pretty damn good ratio / capita), and Brazilians are all secluded from our views as well.


Having less of a life to pound ladder all day does not make you a top player, it may give you the practice and confidence to be near or around their level, but it doesnt immediately make you invulnerable to "lesser skilled" players (people who have a life).


TLDR: Too many secluded areas, and too much tournament bias telling us who top players are, when in reality there is no way to gauge the top players yet.
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Three
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan278 Posts
August 25 2010 17:55 GMT
#93
You know its the internet when theres a TLDR for 3 sentences
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
August 25 2010 17:59 GMT
#94
On August 26 2010 02:21 CookieFactory wrote:
Why is IdrA counted for the USA? If anything, he should be counted for Korea.


I was gonna say this as well as that IdrA is an exception, but I really feel that it is culture that drives it. We've had plenty of incredibly talented players all over the world who didn't work very hard (firstly, froz comes to mind for US in bw) and still did well, but it's the ones with talent and the good "work" approach toward games, like Koreans due to progaming scene, that do very well.
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Demarini
Profile Joined May 2010
United States151 Posts
August 25 2010 18:06 GMT
#95
USA has an insane amount of gamers, but none of them have scratched the surface of true gaming. They think that they're hardcore because they play MW2 till 4AM on a Saturday all alone except with their "clanmates". The vast majority of Americans are console gamers.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 18:09:31
August 25 2010 18:07 GMT
#96
On August 26 2010 01:43 Scope wrote:
As a Swede, I have a few theories as to why we have the most top players per capita (except for Korea I suppose). I think the same factors have a hand in Sweden's dominant position in the music industry.

Weather is crap 8 months out of the year. People stay indoors.

For the 3-4 months the weather is passable, there are summer vacations and school holds up.

We have the largest percentage of single households in the world, because of a number of cultural factors. Being alone isn't stigmatized in Sweden like it is in most places.

It is way way easier to be poor in Sweden, than in countries such as the US. Medical care is largely free. Public transportation is better, and in the cities there really is no reason to own a car. Even daycare is almost free, if you happen to reproduce.

Our internet connectivity has been very good for a long time.

Work days are shorter, tax breaks for people with low income are extensive, vacation time is far greater than in the US.

Some more tenuous theories: The parents of the generation of Swedes born in the eighties had the largest amount of divorces in Swedish history at least. One-parent households mean kids need to entertain themselves more, and guilty parents buy more expensive gifts such as computers.

Swedish culture is somewhat socially inhibited, compared to most of Europe. We are the koreans of Europe, I guess you could say. Nerdery comes naturally.

Sports and competitive play is and has always been a big deal here. Scrawny and fat kids want to compete as well.

That's my 2 cents.


Nailed right on
One thing I dont understand though is that Norway is just about the same but we've always been quite unheard of in the e-sport scenes. Cant think of anything that seperets us that hugely.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 25 2010 18:09 GMT
#97
Canada had Guillaume Patry
they're #2

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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 18:15:39
August 25 2010 18:10 GMT
#98
the countries that cater to progamers are obviously going to be grooming the best players. Idra may be American but he's practicing in Korea. However, Canadians for some reason have strong players (Grrrr, huk, elky) despite a relatively quiet pro-scene.
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
August 25 2010 18:14 GMT
#99
Both US and Canada are ridiculously into console games rather than PC. All my freinds were so terrible at multiplayer because they were so use to a controller that they had 15 apm and built multiple bunkers not at the choke.

Western Canada does have a ton of Asian heritage; Vancouver is like 60% asians so maybe that would help. It mostly seems like countries with GDP are better at SC since they can actually afford a good computer on top of a console.
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
August 25 2010 18:16 GMT
#100
On August 26 2010 00:56 retro-noob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 00:54 infinity21 wrote:
Canadians are obviously genetically superior to other countries.


Canada is good because it's hardwired into the language.

"One, eh?, two, eh?, three, eh?..."


LOL!

That's brilliant.
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