EPTTop countries at SC2 based on top players? - Page 6
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retro-noob
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:17 retro-noob wrote: So I'm wondering where Japan is in all of this. playing playstation. japan is console land. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On August 26 2010 02:02 Floydian wrote: I thought about this a little last year or so, I was really in to the pro BW scene and was wondering why I didn't hear much about any top players from the UK. The way I see it for the UK is, it's a lot more console orientated. Most gamers either have an xbox or PS3, play MW2, halo wars and stuff like that. I don't know that many people who are in to PC gaming, yet pretty much every other person I know has a console. It's just the way the market has developed over here in the UK. I think it may be true also for the US to an extent. I always thought this was the biggest reason why Scandinavia, Germany, China and South Korea are so much better at PC gaming: Because they play PC instead of console. And USA, Japan and other countries mostly play console, so they are better at console games  Also you can't really compare Swedish and American top players like that. Sweden has a population of 9 million, USA has over 300 million. Sweden has at least equal the number of top gamers, so you can do the math yourself who is better at SC2 | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:17 retro-noob wrote: So I'm wondering where Japan is in all of this. You cant tell how often i've asked myself the same question. Asian country (Like south Korea, China....obviously) High economy Big population Excellent internet speed Yet I've NEVER heard of a good japanese RTS player, ever. But then again what do I know | ||
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s4m222
United States272 Posts
I cant speak for the other countries, but in korea, gaming is very much a part of the culture especially since SC1. And for SC1 even alot of the girls know the build orders and such, since SC1 is broadcasted so often and widely. The national skill level is higher than the US. Like for WCG, for koreans its harder to win the qualifiers against their own players to get INTO the WCG, than it is to win the WCG. THerefore to be a top player in Country X is not equal to being a top player in another. Since we are region locked for SC2. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On August 26 2010 00:55 retro-noob wrote: Interesting. That makes sense that differences in social programs and social norms would play a big role. Anyone who can verify or add to this or who can add insight for other countries? Sweden was very fast with a wide use of broadband and courses for use of computers at work in the 90s. Back when Broodwar came out it costed a lot to stay online but broadband came and it came quickly everywhere. The gouvernment had goals for a wide use of it allover Sweden, a steady improvement of it. In my situation it came through the appartment association which upgraded all connections in the neighbourhood sometime between 2000-2002. This probably happened in most places in Sweden, with Swedens Social democratic history we fix up things collectively to improve peoples lives. So with a widespread cheap broadband and a pretty common use of computers at home from an early stage, gaming came naturally for the new generation. The way TLO quit college could be done without a problem in Sweden as well, the Swedish Social democratic reasoning in school systems are behind it. We've got a social safety for those who become unemployed or sick which some people abuse to get money to for example just stay home to play games. I don't know exactly how the CS, bw teams developed back then but with good multiplayer games, internet connections, internet communities were easily formed and contact between players got up and running faster than in other countries. The main reasons are culture and technical possibilities. We had the latter one and our generation grew into gaming pretty strongly. We are called the generation Y(why), we haven't got to fight for meals or money. If something bad happens the state will take care of us, we don't find the same meaning in working hard as other generations have done. In my eyes that's an explanation to why it fits in with our generation. A lot of people don't have to struggle for much at all, since we're only human the joys of gaming fits in better than working. / an amateur Anthropologist pulling things out of his mind without any promises of it being true! | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
 Same thing with soccer, we would have a fantastic amount of great players, but there isnt money in it compared to other things because all the rich dicks are superficial and judgemental. Its not that the US is genetically or natrally, its our culture that lures the best to do what they do best HERE, and make a damn good living out of it. If people dont like it enough, then oh well go back to where you came from or get a real job. If SC2 gets big here in my country, id rather it be because of a genuine passion for the game that young people push. Overcoming monetary limits and prejudice, not because I have no life and would rather laze around playing a game, but because I have no life devouting myself to improvement and refusing to have fun in exchange for less work. It reminds me of charlie parker. The US tends to appreciate passion. Everyone loves an underdog. BRING IT ON WORLD! | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
EDIT: beaten to the punch by the swedes... | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
1. Console gaming isn't as big here as in many other countries. PC games still sell better than Console games in Sweden. 2. The weather here is shit 50% of the time so people often spend their time indoors at least during the winter. I think we have more gamers in general and this coupled with #1 means we have a lot more PC gamers than average. 3. LAN-parties and online competition have always been a big deal here. We have had big LANs like Dreamhack for years and it's a big part of the gamer culture in Sweden. We also have had good cheap internet connections since around 2000. Competing online or at LAN tours has a long history in Sweden. I think the ratio of Competitive to Casual gamers in Sweden is above average for this reason. It's ingrained in our gamer culture. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
The US would be the best if we werent money grubbin fatasses Same thing with soccer, we would have a fantastic amount of great players, but there isnt money in it compared to other things because all the rich dicks are superficial and judgemental. Its not that the US is genetically or natrally, its our culture that lures the best to do what they do best HERE, and make a damn good living out of it. If people dont like it enough, then oh well go back to where you came from or get a real job. If SC2 gets big here in my country, id rather it be because of a genuine passion for the game that young people push. Overcoming monetary limits and prejudice, not because I have no life and would rather laze around playing a game, but because I have no life devouting myself to improvement and refusing to have fun in exchange for less work. It reminds me of charlie parker. The US tends to appreciate passion. Everyone loves an underdog. BRING IT ON WORLD! agree with the guy who said that, usa would be soo good if video games weren't seen as a nerdy thing. | ||
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Taylor Hall
Canada44 Posts
On August 26 2010 00:56 retro-noob wrote: Canada is good because it's hardwired into the language. "One, eh?, two, eh?, three, eh?..." made me laugh ... but most canadian boys aspire to be pro hockey players | ||
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qoiN
Sweden576 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:07 LittleeD wrote: Nailed right on One thing I dont understand though is that Norway is just about the same but we've always been quite unheard of in the e-sport scenes. Cant think of anything that seperets us that hugely. The "hardcore" scene in Sweden which I'm pretty familiar with is pretty huge. Especially in games like CS and DotA/HoN, although SC2 is picking up in popularity a bit lately. Weekend lans at all the various cafés in Stockholm are always full as well pretty much. So that could be the reason, your "hardcore" scene is a lot smaller. | ||
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
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-Iron-
Germany27 Posts
On August 26 2010 00:52 Ketara wrote: Part of it is that it's easier in some of those countries to spend all your time gaming. I've been told by my Swedish and German friends before that some people in said countries only work every other year, live off of welfare programs on the off-years, and spend that time playing WoW and other games. TLO quit college in order to play Starcraft. From an Americans perspective, that seems crazy as hell to do, especially before you get some sort of pro contract. In order to make a living off of starcraft you'd have to be winning a major tournament every month here, and even that might only barely pay the bills. But in Germany I think it's possible to actually do that. Don't want to turn this into a political discussion btw, just sayin' From an German perspective that also seems crazy as hell :D. Hypothetically you could do this but I don't think this really makes sense, because you do not really get much money when you're unemployed (and get so called Hartz 4) and you are forced to search a job, write applications etc. until you find one. But nevertheless there should be some people outside there that are satisfied being unemployed if they just can play sc2 the entire day. But leaving college to play sc2 also seems crazy to me even if you can temporarily earn money by doing that. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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phamou
Canada193 Posts
On August 26 2010 01:46 Fayth wrote: sounds extremely similar to where I live and there were very very good players from broodwar in quebec, also we've got some of the best poker players here ;o +1, also don't forget in quebec, we have school Cegep, which consists of 2 years before university where your classes are most likely useless (imo, cegep is useless, i'd rather go straight to uni) we have a lot of free time here (teens from 18-21 years old), winter forces you to stay home, we are in a rather wealthy country, so computers are a must have in a house anyways. all that = sc2 | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:17 retro-noob wrote: So I'm wondering where Japan is in all of this. DDR | ||
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