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biarecare
Profile Joined July 2010
United States76 Posts
August 25 2010 22:12 GMT
#141
Korea / USA / Germany / Sweden.

i don't think China will be good due to the lack of good computers to support the graphics, bad internet connection, and no chinese servers.
dagene
Profile Joined June 2010
United States75 Posts
August 25 2010 22:16 GMT
#142
day9's american. nuff sed
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 25 2010 22:20 GMT
#143
On August 26 2010 05:54 diggurd wrote:
Slayer is not a gamer, he is a god.

So true. I remember some epic games between [GG99]Slayer and Slayer_Boxer ..oh man good ol' time..
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 22:25:07
August 25 2010 22:21 GMT
#144
On August 26 2010 00:54 infinity21 wrote:
Canadians are obviously genetically superior to other countries.

russians don't agree

On August 26 2010 04:01 s.a.y wrote:
bulgaria and Chile had a bunch of good gamers in SC:BW, guess they don't have the PCs to run SC2 yet.


actually there is a big base of players in Chile right now, the game is sold out, and the community is even bigger than before, the problem is that the ppl playing sc2 atm are mostly noobs, but there is a group of the good old sc:bw players practicing really hard sc2.

the problem is the "Latin American Server" which is kinda noob tbh... mb if the Chilean players were practicing on EU or NA, it would be different
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
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Profile Joined April 2010
Germany27 Posts
August 26 2010 10:41 GMT
#145
On August 26 2010 04:27 Flicky wrote:
Comparing the UK to the Germans, they are historically very competitive people (I don't mean this in a negative way). From what I know of parts of the German thought process, is their strong beliefs when it comes to their Duty. In the UK children are repeatedly told to "Do their best". This doesn't really help a competitive spirit if people are content with "their best". If your best is 8th, it's not going to win you competitions. In Germany, the idea of duty is a strong one, where it is your duty to win. (Duty may not be the write word, but I can't think of a more accurate word). Germans thrive and succeed using this mentality, especially in big sports and they're proud of their teams and countries. This isn't exactly the case in the UK, as I stated above.

If you want the top countries, here they are:
South Korea, Sweden, Germany, USA, Canada and the Ukraine.
Every other country is below these in terms of star power, names and whatnot.

I'm actually german I don't think this is the case. Would be nice if it was so but most people I know don't have such an attitude. And being proud of their country or feeling duty for it is a very, very delicate topic in our society, because of our history. But I appreciate that these feelings (in a positive way) play a increasing role in the last decade, especially since 2006. But I don't think that their role is more important than in other european countries, like the UK.
I guess the reason why we have perhaps better sc2 players than you has three simple reasons:
1) coincidence
2) higher population
3) We have even more fat, nerdy, sunlight-and-sport-avoiding children than you. :D
But nice to read that other people have such positive beliefs about germany.
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ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
August 26 2010 10:42 GMT
#146
On August 26 2010 00:54 infinity21 wrote:
Canadians are obviously genetically superior to other countries.

you mean koreans that live in canada like Yan ? :o
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 26 2010 11:06 GMT
#147
On August 26 2010 02:07 T0fuuu wrote:
Australia has the highest rate of piracy in the developed world, that shows an openness to technology! but i guess the pop is too small to get enough local competition and the weather is too nice (:

I may be biased but I definitely think Aus punches above it's weight, as in most sports. Low population, very poor internet, isolation, nice weather, sporting/outdoors culture (and the same American attitude to eSports not being a 'real' sport) but still produce some good players. They seem to be more 'natural talent' than the types of players that USA and Sweden produce, who seem to be hard workers/determined players.

Also I know that in other athletic sports Aus does so well because of very good youth and coaching programs and facilities. While there's nothing similar for eSports there's definitely more community stuff with players mostly knowing each other and playing each other a lot due to timezone constraints - as well as playing in Asian timezones and having strong Asian immigrant populations.

For me I say Korea, Sweden, Germany, USA are at the top tier of competitive countries because they have a lot of depth, despite many players not being really at the very top of the competition.

Second tier would be countries who produce like 2-3 really world-class players but not many others, or with very good 'top player'-to-population ratios. Examples would be The Netherlands, Belgium, Ukraine, Poland, France, Australia, Canada (would be tier 1 with more players), and perhaps a SEA nation or two but we will have to see their best in international competitions first.
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shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
August 26 2010 12:05 GMT
#148
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 04:27 Flicky wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:06 iD.NicKy wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:02 retro-noob wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:01 iD.NicKy wrote:
sweden because of their internet connection back then.
germany because germans are always good at any sport.
korea for the obvious reason
Ukrainian have some top top players but not a lot of good players.
Canada no idea why, maybe because they were french at first 8)


What's it like in France, Spain, and the UK?


France, Spain, Uk has a lot of good players but only few top players
let's say demuslim/dapollo for UK, Lucifron for spain, sarens/moman for france


If you want a correct answer for the UK:
The scene obviously has its star in DeMusliM but there are plenty of very strong players here, the issue is that currently they are just below the very top. Quite a lot of Quarter-Finals chokers, that kind of thing. This is mostly to do with a fractured scene in the UK with very few Clans and what-not with active practice schedules. We have a number of very active players who get quite far in events. I could name-names, but I do not what to miss anyone out. We have recently beaten the Netherlands and France in Nation Wars, although these were more casual events.

The main issue with the UK when it comes to development of eSports is that there is a very big social stigma when it comes to video-games and even more so when it come to PC games. Anyone who spends a large amount of time at home playing video-games is not looked upon nicely. Not saying it's horrible, but it isn't a good thing.

On top of this, the developing mentality of British people doesn't lend well to excelling in certain fields. Years of faltering in international sports has led to almost constant disappointment when it comes to Britain's place in competitive events. Many people aren't competitive or keen to excel anymore due to this. There is a largely spread attitude that "we were once great, we don't mind not being great any more". I think this effects our scene quite a lot.

On top of this, there are very few events for our community. But, we do have many good players and I would say we're at least as good as any country in Europe besides Sweden, Germany and Ukraine.

Comparing the UK to the Germans, they are historically very competitive people (I don't mean this in a negative way). From what I know of parts of the German thought process, is their strong beliefs when it comes to their Duty. In the UK children are repeatedly told to "Do their best". This doesn't really help a competitive spirit if people are content with "their best". If your best is 8th, it's not going to win you competitions. In Germany, the idea of duty is a strong one, where it is your duty to win. (Duty may not be the write word, but I can't think of a more accurate word). Germans thrive and succeed using this mentality, especially in big sports and they're proud of their teams and countries. This isn't exactly the case in the UK, as I stated above.

If you want the top countries, here they are:
South Korea, Sweden, Germany, USA, Canada and the Ukraine.
Every other country is below these in terms of star power, names and whatnot.


I think you're reading too much into this.
In Germany, PC gaming is still big because Germans love those slow and boring games like "The Settlers" and all sorts of simulators which are mainly PC exclusive.
As a side effect, Germany has lots of RTS players but this won't translate into lots of gosus: WC3 was the most popular RTS for ages in germantown but german WC3-players had very little international success.
While you can make lots of SC2-money here because of ESL-Events and LANs, I don't see Germany being a top country (with TLO being the Mondragon-esque exception).
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
August 26 2010 12:36 GMT
#149
On August 26 2010 01:02 retro-noob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:01 iD.NicKy wrote:
sweden because of their internet connection back then.
germany because germans are always good at any sport.
korea for the obvious reason
Ukrainian have some top top players but not a lot of good players.
Canada no idea why, maybe because they were french at first 8)


What's it like in France, Spain, and the UK?


RTS isn't big in the UK.
Most gamers are either casual or play FPS.

99% of the UK population have never heard of playing video games professionally.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
August 26 2010 12:51 GMT
#150
On competitive gaming, Sweden is the strongest country. They have one of the best cod4 team, their so called cs1.6 'B team' won ENC 2010.

And they still have many top sc2 players.
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
August 26 2010 13:09 GMT
#151
can you actually compare players between different regions?
have all these players played off against top players in other regions?
it's hard to get a gauge on this right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iD.NicKy
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
France767 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 13:29:23
August 26 2010 13:18 GMT
#152
On August 26 2010 01:33 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:06 iD.NicKy wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:02 retro-noob wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:01 iD.NicKy wrote:
sweden because of their internet connection back then.
germany because germans are always good at any sport.
korea for the obvious reason
Ukrainian have some top top players but not a lot of good players.
Canada no idea why, maybe because they were french at first 8)


What's it like in France, Spain, and the UK?


France, Spain, Uk has a lot of good players but only few top players
let's say demuslim/dapollo for UK, Lucifron for spain, sarens/moman for france


How can you call dapollo good when he's literally played in 0 tournaments? Just because he lives in Korea and gets interviewed by Artosis doesn't make him good. Also MoMaN isn't good , just because he bashes on newb French players and has a bunch of random french-only events added to his GG.net acc to get to 1100 points doesn't make him good. Check out his match list and see how many other European players he beats (basically 0).


I just love the kid (dapollo), don't hate me :D. But overall, i still think what i wrote about france, spain, UK.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 13:51:07
August 26 2010 13:46 GMT
#153
Korea > Ukraine > Sweden >>>> Germany > Canada > USA

in some years it willl be

Korea > China >> Ukraine >> Sweden >>>> Germany = USA > Canada



edit
korea for obvious reasons.
ukraine has dimaga, strelok and whitera. obvious.
sweden also has so many good gamers although they dont really have a huge fanbase i think.
germanys only strong player is TLO, but germany has very many medium players.
canada has huk thats it. but their playerbase is sooo slow i think.
the usa doesnt have any REALLY good player except for maybe nony. idra and artosis should be counted as korean as they live in korea for years now. the usa will have strong players, they just need some kids to practise hard for some time. but come on you really need new blood, those old guys that came from sc:bw wont win any big tournament.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
August 27 2010 16:10 GMT
#154
On August 26 2010 22:46 imperator-xy wrote:
Korea > Ukraine > Sweden >>>> Germany > Canada > USA

in some years it willl be

Korea > China >> Ukraine >> Sweden >>>> Germany = USA > Canada



edit
korea for obvious reasons.
ukraine has dimaga, strelok and whitera. obvious.
sweden also has so many good gamers although they dont really have a huge fanbase i think.
germanys only strong player is TLO, but germany has very many medium players.
canada has huk thats it. but their playerbase is sooo slow i think.
the usa doesnt have any REALLY good player except for maybe nony. idra and artosis should be counted as korean as they live in korea for years now. the usa will have strong players, they just need some kids to practise hard for some time. but come on you really need new blood, those old guys that came from sc:bw wont win any big tournament.


Canada has just HuK? Have you looked at the MLG invitees list?

Did you forget KiwiKaki, SLush, TTOne, drewbie?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
pftgu0
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany32 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 16:28:51
August 27 2010 16:25 GMT
#155
interesting topic, i once read an article about the rising of sc in korea, the origin of esports lies in economic downturn, few years ago there was a big recession in kor so people had hardly any money to spend for freetime activity, computers were already widley spread so kids/adults began to play excessively to escape economic reality. I think its a combination of the affinity to technology and the current economic/social situation in the particular nation


this would make a great topic for a doctoral thesis
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
August 27 2010 16:32 GMT
#156
On August 28 2010 01:10 adrenaline.CA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 22:46 imperator-xy wrote:
Korea > Ukraine > Sweden >>>> Germany > Canada > USA

in some years it willl be

Korea > China >> Ukraine >> Sweden >>>> Germany = USA > Canada



edit
korea for obvious reasons.
ukraine has dimaga, strelok and whitera. obvious.
sweden also has so many good gamers although they dont really have a huge fanbase i think.
germanys only strong player is TLO, but germany has very many medium players.
canada has huk thats it. but their playerbase is sooo slow i think.
the usa doesnt have any REALLY good player except for maybe nony. idra and artosis should be counted as korean as they live in korea for years now. the usa will have strong players, they just need some kids to practise hard for some time. but come on you really need new blood, those old guys that came from sc:bw wont win any big tournament.


Canada has just HuK? Have you looked at the MLG invitees list?

Did you forget KiwiKaki, SLush, TTOne, drewbie?


dont forget grrrr... he is back :D
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Nyth
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands19 Posts
August 27 2010 16:47 GMT
#157
You'd really have to normalize the amount of good players on the population of said country.

The reason USA and China win most gold medals at the olympics is because of their population, if 1 in every 100.000 people is a superb sportsman you'll have most in those kind of countries.

You'd have to do the same with Starcraft really. If for every 100 USA players there are 15 Canadian players and yet USA only has twice as many "top players" as Canada; then Canada is statistically seen a better country at the game.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 27 2010 16:52 GMT
#158
On August 28 2010 01:47 Nyth wrote:
You'd really have to normalize the amount of good players on the population of said country.

The reason USA and China win most gold medals at the olympics is because of their population, if 1 in every 100.000 people is a superb sportsman you'll have most in those kind of countries.

You'd have to do the same with Starcraft really. If for every 100 USA players there are 15 Canadian players and yet USA only has twice as many "top players" as Canada; then Canada is statistically seen a better country at the game.

As much as population matters the infrastructure china and US provide for their athletes is still the nr 1 reason for the countries success.
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benemann
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany33 Posts
August 27 2010 16:57 GMT
#159
As a german I can say that almost every boy is into gaimng of some kind.
But most people either play the "hyped" FPS games or super oldschool ones.
The RTS scene here isn't that big, but i wouldn't say it's small either.
I just think that germans are appearing kinda often because we have alot of gamers ^.^
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 27 2010 17:08 GMT
#160
Relatively to population size, yes, good summary. But I think it's more important how active and large is the starcraft community in each country. People should realize that Korea is far ahead not because of genetic reasons, but because they have a very large pool of people playing very seriously, and their culture motivates dedication and hard effort. As long as such strong type of community forms somewhere else, there will be Flashes and Jaedongs somewhere else too, if not even better.
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