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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
August 25 2010 19:01 GMT
#121
bulgaria and Chile had a bunch of good gamers in SC:BW, guess they don't have the PCs to run SC2 yet.
I am not good with quotes
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 25 2010 19:03 GMT
#122
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 26 2010 03:55 phamou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:46 Fayth wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:43 Scope wrote:
As a Swede, I have a few theories as to why we have the most top players per capita (except for Korea I suppose). I think the same factors have a hand in Sweden's dominant position in the music industry.

Weather is crap 8 months out of the year. People stay indoors.

For the 3-4 months the weather is passable, there are summer vacations and school holds up.

We have the largest percentage of single households in the world, because of a number of cultural factors. Being alone isn't stigmatized in Sweden like it is in most places.

It is way way easier to be poor in Sweden, than in countries such as the US. Medical care is largely free. Public transportation is better, and in the cities there really is no reason to own a car. Even daycare is almost free, if you happen to reproduce.

Our internet connectivity has been very good for a long time.

Work days are shorter, tax breaks for people with low income are extensive, vacation time is far greater than in the US.

Some more tenuous theories: The parents of the generation of Swedes born in the eighties had the largest amount of divorces in Swedish history at least. One-parent households mean kids need to entertain themselves more, and guilty parents buy more expensive gifts such as computers.

Swedish culture is somewhat socially inhibited, compared to most of Europe. We are the koreans of Europe, I guess you could say. Nerdery comes naturally.

Sports and competitive play is and has always been a big deal here. Scrawny and fat kids want to compete as well.

That's my 2 cents.

sounds extremely similar to where I live and there were very very good players from broodwar in quebec, also we've got some of the best poker players here ;o



+1, also don't forget in quebec, we have school Cegep, which consists of 2 years before university where your classes are most likely useless (imo, cegep is useless, i'd rather go straight to uni)

we have a lot of free time here (teens from 18-21 years old), winter forces you to stay home, we are in a rather wealthy country, so computers are a must have in a house anyways.

all that = sc2




I just want to say that most people use Cegep to get laid for 3 years straight before university, such a great thing if you are a single guy, so many willing and able girls
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Profile Joined April 2010
Germany27 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 19:09:47
August 25 2010 19:09 GMT
#123
On August 26 2010 04:03 Holcan wrote:I just want to say that most people use Cegep to get laid for 3 years straight before university, such a great thing if you are a single guy, so many willing and able girls

They should introduce this system also in Germany...
At the moment I'm just pissed off and stressed from the life at university (but I anyway won't leave for playing sc2 :D).
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2659 Posts
August 25 2010 19:27 GMT
#124
On August 26 2010 01:06 iD.NicKy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:02 retro-noob wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:01 iD.NicKy wrote:
sweden because of their internet connection back then.
germany because germans are always good at any sport.
korea for the obvious reason
Ukrainian have some top top players but not a lot of good players.
Canada no idea why, maybe because they were french at first 8)


What's it like in France, Spain, and the UK?


France, Spain, Uk has a lot of good players but only few top players
let's say demuslim/dapollo for UK, Lucifron for spain, sarens/moman for france


If you want a correct answer for the UK:
The scene obviously has its star in DeMusliM but there are plenty of very strong players here, the issue is that currently they are just below the very top. Quite a lot of Quarter-Finals chokers, that kind of thing. This is mostly to do with a fractured scene in the UK with very few Clans and what-not with active practice schedules. We have a number of very active players who get quite far in events. I could name-names, but I do not what to miss anyone out. We have recently beaten the Netherlands and France in Nation Wars, although these were more casual events.

The main issue with the UK when it comes to development of eSports is that there is a very big social stigma when it comes to video-games and even more so when it come to PC games. Anyone who spends a large amount of time at home playing video-games is not looked upon nicely. Not saying it's horrible, but it isn't a good thing.

On top of this, the developing mentality of British people doesn't lend well to excelling in certain fields. Years of faltering in international sports has led to almost constant disappointment when it comes to Britain's place in competitive events. Many people aren't competitive or keen to excel anymore due to this. There is a largely spread attitude that "we were once great, we don't mind not being great any more". I think this effects our scene quite a lot.

On top of this, there are very few events for our community. But, we do have many good players and I would say we're at least as good as any country in Europe besides Sweden, Germany and Ukraine.

Comparing the UK to the Germans, they are historically very competitive people (I don't mean this in a negative way). From what I know of parts of the German thought process, is their strong beliefs when it comes to their Duty. In the UK children are repeatedly told to "Do their best". This doesn't really help a competitive spirit if people are content with "their best". If your best is 8th, it's not going to win you competitions. In Germany, the idea of duty is a strong one, where it is your duty to win. (Duty may not be the write word, but I can't think of a more accurate word). Germans thrive and succeed using this mentality, especially in big sports and they're proud of their teams and countries. This isn't exactly the case in the UK, as I stated above.

If you want the top countries, here they are:
South Korea, Sweden, Germany, USA, Canada and the Ukraine.
Every other country is below these in terms of star power, names and whatnot.
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TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 19:31:51
August 25 2010 19:31 GMT
#125
On August 26 2010 04:03 Holcan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 26 2010 03:55 phamou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:46 Fayth wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:43 Scope wrote:
As a Swede, I have a few theories as to why we have the most top players per capita (except for Korea I suppose). I think the same factors have a hand in Sweden's dominant position in the music industry.

Weather is crap 8 months out of the year. People stay indoors.

For the 3-4 months the weather is passable, there are summer vacations and school holds up.

We have the largest percentage of single households in the world, because of a number of cultural factors. Being alone isn't stigmatized in Sweden like it is in most places.

It is way way easier to be poor in Sweden, than in countries such as the US. Medical care is largely free. Public transportation is better, and in the cities there really is no reason to own a car. Even daycare is almost free, if you happen to reproduce.

Our internet connectivity has been very good for a long time.

Work days are shorter, tax breaks for people with low income are extensive, vacation time is far greater than in the US.

Some more tenuous theories: The parents of the generation of Swedes born in the eighties had the largest amount of divorces in Swedish history at least. One-parent households mean kids need to entertain themselves more, and guilty parents buy more expensive gifts such as computers.

Swedish culture is somewhat socially inhibited, compared to most of Europe. We are the koreans of Europe, I guess you could say. Nerdery comes naturally.

Sports and competitive play is and has always been a big deal here. Scrawny and fat kids want to compete as well.

That's my 2 cents.

sounds extremely similar to where I live and there were very very good players from broodwar in quebec, also we've got some of the best poker players here ;o



+1, also don't forget in quebec, we have school Cegep, which consists of 2 years before university where your classes are most likely useless (imo, cegep is useless, i'd rather go straight to uni)

we have a lot of free time here (teens from 18-21 years old), winter forces you to stay home, we are in a rather wealthy country, so computers are a must have in a house anyways.

all that = sc2




I just want to say that most people use Cegep to get laid for 3 years straight before university, such a great thing if you are a single guy, so many willing and able girls


Cegep is such a waste of time that you can actually have the time to fit both in a normal schedule.

cegep = Getting laid + sc2
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dogmeatstew
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada574 Posts
August 25 2010 19:32 GMT
#126
On August 26 2010 04:03 Holcan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 26 2010 03:55 phamou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:46 Fayth wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:43 Scope wrote:
As a Swede, I have a few theories as to why we have the most top players per capita (except for Korea I suppose). I think the same factors have a hand in Sweden's dominant position in the music industry.

Weather is crap 8 months out of the year. People stay indoors.

For the 3-4 months the weather is passable, there are summer vacations and school holds up.

We have the largest percentage of single households in the world, because of a number of cultural factors. Being alone isn't stigmatized in Sweden like it is in most places.

It is way way easier to be poor in Sweden, than in countries such as the US. Medical care is largely free. Public transportation is better, and in the cities there really is no reason to own a car. Even daycare is almost free, if you happen to reproduce.

Our internet connectivity has been very good for a long time.

Work days are shorter, tax breaks for people with low income are extensive, vacation time is far greater than in the US.

Some more tenuous theories: The parents of the generation of Swedes born in the eighties had the largest amount of divorces in Swedish history at least. One-parent households mean kids need to entertain themselves more, and guilty parents buy more expensive gifts such as computers.

Swedish culture is somewhat socially inhibited, compared to most of Europe. We are the koreans of Europe, I guess you could say. Nerdery comes naturally.

Sports and competitive play is and has always been a big deal here. Scrawny and fat kids want to compete as well.

That's my 2 cents.

sounds extremely similar to where I live and there were very very good players from broodwar in quebec, also we've got some of the best poker players here ;o



+1, also don't forget in quebec, we have school Cegep, which consists of 2 years before university where your classes are most likely useless (imo, cegep is useless, i'd rather go straight to uni)

we have a lot of free time here (teens from 18-21 years old), winter forces you to stay home, we are in a rather wealthy country, so computers are a must have in a house anyways.

all that = sc2




I just want to say that most people use Cegep to get laid for 3 years straight before university, such a great thing if you are a single guy, so many willing and able girls

The french...

Canada had good players because we can't actually go outside between October and May in most parts of our country so we play video games.
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
August 25 2010 19:37 GMT
#127
On August 26 2010 00:50 PhiliBiRD wrote:
haha, someone is apparently biased against Americans..way to show it so blatantly.
6 of the top 10 on ladder right now are from US. all with win % that are just as good.

regardless i dont think it has anything to do with your country of origin. thats ignorant as shit to believe.


Blizzard ladders never have and probably never will matter and/or be any solid way to determine skill. Right now massing games will get anyone who's decent in 1st place because the system will let you farm noobs all day to get points and get free points from the good ol' bonus pool.

Win % and ladder points only matters in the context of that particular ladder. Trying to draw conclusions between EU, US, and KOR ladders based on these is silly. A 60% ratio on US server with 1000 points is not the same as KOR server because the 1000 point has a different value.

ICCUp worked because it was the ONLY place people played ladder and all regions were included.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 19:38:28
August 25 2010 19:38 GMT
#128
Why is Russia nowhere to be seen? Dimaga, BRAT_OK and White_ra are all top notch.

EDIT: Thank you Flicky
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Damian
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany335 Posts
August 25 2010 19:41 GMT
#129
On August 26 2010 04:38 GreEny K wrote:
Why is Russia nowhere to be seen? Dimaga, BRAT_OK and White_ra are all top notch.

EDIT: Thank you Flicky

Out of the three above mentioned players only one is Russian...
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
August 25 2010 19:42 GMT
#130
Because Dimaga and White_ra are from the ukraine...
Brood War forever!
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 25 2010 19:51 GMT
#131
On August 26 2010 03:10 hystorm wrote:
the countries that cater to progamers are obviously going to be grooming the best players. Idra may be American but he's practicing in Korea. However, Canadians for some reason have strong players (Grrrr, huk, elky) despite a relatively quiet pro-scene.

What? Elky is french come on.. I think if you do the ratio population/top player S.Korea is by far the best country followed by Sweden and maybe Ukraine and Germany.. US are far behind! There are ~300millions people and maybe 5-6 top player it may be the same as France lol 60millions 1good player
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
August 25 2010 19:59 GMT
#132
But Norway had Slayer..

Dead girls don't say no.
diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
August 25 2010 20:54 GMT
#133
Slayer is not a gamer, he is a god. If he wanted to he could hack the internet and rule it all, but he wants to play poker instead
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 25 2010 20:57 GMT
#134
On August 26 2010 02:07 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:31 Xeris wrote:
On August 26 2010 00:48 retro-noob wrote:
It seems like Korea, Canada, Ukraine, Sweden, and Germany are out in front right now if you look at countries that have produced multiple elite players, especially relative to their population.

The US has a lot of good players, but I feel like other than, Idra, they aren't considered top players. Also, the US is the most populous country on the scene BY FAR, so I'd expect even more from there.

I may be wrong on any or all of this, btw; I'm just basing it off some quick research and my memory.

Are these countries culturally more into games or RTS or StarCraft than others? Am I just imagining that those countries have a higher number of the top players right now?

I'd expect the US, France, Russia, the UK, Italy, Japan, Australia, China (though I don't know what rules there are in China around these games), Brazil, Spain, etc. to be putting equal numbers of people into the conversation for "best SC2 player."

Sweden is especially surprising just based on the population difference between them and these other countries. Why Sweden and not Austria, Switzerland, or Israel?

If I'm not wrong, what is it about those countries that have them producing so many good players per capita right now?

EDIT: Obviously, Korea is a special case, and I understand that one.


Uh, why did you list Canada as 2nd? What Canadian has won anything besides HuK, Drewbie, and TT1? Slush and KiwiKaki haven't won a single thing since beta, and there are no other good Canadians really.

Also, Germany? TLO and Socke are the only good Germans that have won anything.

USA has IdrA, iNkA, Select, KawaiiRice, Machine, PainUser, and a bunch of other strong players.

I think outside of Asia - Ukraine and Sweden are definitely the top nations, followed by USA.

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:33 Xeris wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:06 iD.NicKy wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:02 retro-noob wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:01 iD.NicKy wrote:
sweden because of their internet connection back then.
germany because germans are always good at any sport.
korea for the obvious reason
Ukrainian have some top top players but not a lot of good players.
Canada no idea why, maybe because they were french at first 8)


What's it like in France, Spain, and the UK?


France, Spain, Uk has a lot of good players but only few top players
let's say demuslim/dapollo for UK, Lucifron for spain, sarens/moman for france


How can you call dapollo good when he's literally played in 0 tournaments? Just because he lives in Korea and gets interviewed by Artosis doesn't make him good. Also MoMaN isn't good , just because he bashes on newb French players and has a bunch of random french-only events added to his GG.net acc to get to 1100 points doesn't make him good. Check out his match list and see how many other European players he beats (basically 0).


So much bias. So Moman bashes french people and US players who apart from idra only win in-house tournaments deserve a mention?


Are you serious? Look at the # of US players in the top 30 of GG.net rankings, and look at the number of French. HuK, TTOne, Sheth, Machine, etc, all have competed in major invitational tournaments against European players and performed well. MoMaN is the only French who really competed in any international events, and he pretty much sucked in them all.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 25 2010 21:20 GMT
#135
On August 26 2010 04:41 Damian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 04:38 GreEny K wrote:
Why is Russia nowhere to be seen? Dimaga, BRAT_OK and White_ra are all top notch.

EDIT: Thank you Flicky

Out of the three above mentioned players only one is Russian...


I know that the other two are Ukrainian but I lump them.
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RainWhisper
Profile Joined May 2009
United Arab Emirates333 Posts
August 25 2010 21:25 GMT
#136
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FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
August 25 2010 21:39 GMT
#137
Lol.. clearly you haven't seen the rankings OP where the USA players r on top...
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FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 25 2010 22:00 GMT
#138
On August 26 2010 04:42 Kralic wrote:
Because Dimaga and White_ra are from the ukraine...


In soviet russia ukraine belongs to russia.
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Taylor Hall
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada44 Posts
August 25 2010 22:04 GMT
#139
On August 26 2010 04:32 dogmeatstew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 04:03 Holcan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 26 2010 03:55 phamou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 01:46 Fayth wrote:
On August 26 2010 01:43 Scope wrote:
As a Swede, I have a few theories as to why we have the most top players per capita (except for Korea I suppose). I think the same factors have a hand in Sweden's dominant position in the music industry.

Weather is crap 8 months out of the year. People stay indoors.

For the 3-4 months the weather is passable, there are summer vacations and school holds up.

We have the largest percentage of single households in the world, because of a number of cultural factors. Being alone isn't stigmatized in Sweden like it is in most places.

It is way way easier to be poor in Sweden, than in countries such as the US. Medical care is largely free. Public transportation is better, and in the cities there really is no reason to own a car. Even daycare is almost free, if you happen to reproduce.

Our internet connectivity has been very good for a long time.

Work days are shorter, tax breaks for people with low income are extensive, vacation time is far greater than in the US.

Some more tenuous theories: The parents of the generation of Swedes born in the eighties had the largest amount of divorces in Swedish history at least. One-parent households mean kids need to entertain themselves more, and guilty parents buy more expensive gifts such as computers.

Swedish culture is somewhat socially inhibited, compared to most of Europe. We are the koreans of Europe, I guess you could say. Nerdery comes naturally.

Sports and competitive play is and has always been a big deal here. Scrawny and fat kids want to compete as well.

That's my 2 cents.

sounds extremely similar to where I live and there were very very good players from broodwar in quebec, also we've got some of the best poker players here ;o



+1, also don't forget in quebec, we have school Cegep, which consists of 2 years before university where your classes are most likely useless (imo, cegep is useless, i'd rather go straight to uni)

we have a lot of free time here (teens from 18-21 years old), winter forces you to stay home, we are in a rather wealthy country, so computers are a must have in a house anyways.

all that = sc2




I just want to say that most people use Cegep to get laid for 3 years straight before university, such a great thing if you are a single guy, so many willing and able girls

The french...

Canada had good players because we can't actually go outside between October and May in most parts of our country so we play video games.


Well I spent lots of time in Yellowknife ( the Christmas Time) and I always enjoyed going outdoors and playing hockey, ice fishing or snowmobiling even tho it is sub -30 Celsius
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
August 25 2010 22:09 GMT
#140
My experience firsthand is that the NA server is really easy compared to Asia server and I think looking at the top asia winrate is further evidence. None of those dudes have above 2/3 wins and they play quite a bit more than americans on ladder.

Its really sad how we can't play on different servers
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