EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 801
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On April 20 2011 00:37 Hunterai wrote: Have Tyler discuss how right he was about MC is too risky :-P Yeah, but MC's play style has won him 2 GSL championship, and a Dreamhack Invitational. I think any player would take his play style and winnings  | ||
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coma
Germany86 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
So, what really happened? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 20 2011 00:16 FliedLice wrote: iirc he said he quit it a few weeks ago, didn't he? He'll be back, I have a cousin that has quit that dozens of times. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On April 20 2011 00:56 ptbl wrote: Yeah, but MC's play style has won him 2 GSL championship, and a Dreamhack Invitational. I think any player would take his play style and winnings True. But it also could mean he is slowly getting figured out, like MKP and Kyrix did got figured out. | ||
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Treehead
999 Posts
On April 20 2011 00:56 ptbl wrote: Yeah, but MC's play style has won him 2 GSL championship, and a Dreamhack Invitational. I think any player would take his play style and winnings I think the point is that mimicking MC doesn't help you become a better player. Obviously, if you're winning hundreds of thousands of dollars on your play, you shouldn't change that play until it stops working. 2 years from now, though, if you still want to be playing, your gameplan will probably have to be better than "gosh, I hope he doesn't see this building". MC will adapt and improve and probably remain one of the best players in the world. The point of it isn't directed at him (hopefully) - it's at those unfortunate souls who have devoted hundreds of hours to mastering a style of play that can't have longevity without being bad for the game as a whole (i.e. something that in time will either be overcome through better play or patch notes). | ||
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ExquisiteRed
396 Posts
On April 20 2011 02:47 Pyo wrote: It'd be really nice if Geoff could fully explain the Naniwa situation. After MLG I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there who would like to be his fans, but if he's going to continue to be BMiwa, maybe not so much. However, the fact that he was not given a loss means that he doesn't have full culpability. So, what really happened? Geoff is only the caster for the nasl he does not make the decisions, this has been stated many times, at no point did he BM anyone. There was a full writeup on the Naniwa incident which explained the reasons behind their decision. Stop making up shit to smear someone's reputation. | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On April 20 2011 02:47 Pyo wrote: It'd be really nice if Geoff could fully explain the Naniwa situation. After MLG I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there who would like to be his fans, but if he's going to continue to be BMiwa, maybe not so much. However, the fact that he was not given a loss means that he doesn't have full culpability. So, what really happened? I'm not really sure what happened, but to kick off the speculation I can say what I think the crux of the situation was. I repeat, I'm speculating here. I could even have facts wrong where facts are widely known Naniwa wanted to postpone his match so that he could recover from traveling. NASL was ok with it. But then Naniwa played ladder games when he could have been playing his NASL match, and NASL wasn't ok with that. If that's what happened, then I'm kinda leaning toward being on Naniwa's side here. You obviously don't want to play an important match after just coming back from a tournament. So you delay it as long as possible. So let's say you delay it 24 hours. What do you do during those 24 hours to ensure your best performance possible? Some of it is gonna be practicing. Hell, a lot of it might be practicing. In fact, not practicing at all during those 24 hours is one of the worst things you can do. If anyone can summarize all the known facts, please do so! | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On April 20 2011 02:55 ExquisiteRed wrote: Geoff is only the caster for the nasl he does not make the decisions, this has been stated many times, at no point did he BM anyone. There was a full writeup on the Naniwa incident which explained the reasons behind their decision. Stop making up shit to smear someone's reputation. First of all, I am actually one of those people who wants to be a fan of Naniwa. Since it was Geoff who came onto a stream and bashed on Naniwa to begin with and it was him who gave the explanation of the situation shown on NASL (which basically implied that Naniwa was completely at fault for the situation), I feel that it is perfectly reasonable for Geoff to be the one who explains it fully. Basically what I want to know is what does it mean "we could have communicated better" and why didn't that apply to White-Ra? I'm not "making shit up" and not trying to "smear" anyone. I'd just like someone to clarify what really happened. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:17 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm not really sure what happened, but to kick off the speculation I can say what I think the crux of the situation was. I repeat, I'm speculating here. I could even have facts wrong where facts are widely known Naniwa wanted to postpone his match so that he could recover from traveling. NASL was ok with it. But then Naniwa played ladder games when he could have been playing his NASL match, and NASL wasn't ok with that. If that's what happened, then I'm kinda leaning toward being on Naniwa's side here. You obviously don't want to play an important match after just coming back from a tournament. So you delay it as long as possible. So let's say you delay it 24 hours. What do you do during those 24 hours to ensure your best performance possible? Some of it is gonna be practicing. Hell, a lot of it might be practicing. In fact, not practicing at all during those 24 hours is one of the worst things you can do. If anyone can summarize all the known facts, please do so! "Travelling" was him being at DH as a spectator, so him being tired was purely of his own doing and apparently Strelok didn't really want to reschedule, considering his reaction. If Strelok only agreed to reschedule because Naniwa absolutely had to get some sleep, I can see why Naniwa was penalized when he instead started grinding ladder. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
To sad that such an great episode that ended up with such a positive message and yet many of the responses here are just... terrible. Looking forward to the next one, don't let internet idiots take you down | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:35 syllogism wrote: "Travelling" was him being at DH as a spectator, so him being tired was purely of his own doing and apparently Strelok didn't really want to reschedule, considering his reaction. If Strelok only agreed to reschedule because Naniwa absolutely had to get some sleep, I can see why Naniwa was penalized when he instead started grinding ladder. IF they have given the OK then where i spend those 24 hours while it can be a subject of debate or scrutiny, IN no way does that justify punishment. | ||
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Frozenserpent
United States143 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:57 Madkipz wrote: IF they have given the OK then where i spend those 24 hours while it can be a subject of debate or scrutiny, IN no way does that justify punishment. On the contrary, many times permission is given conditionally. If I tell my work that I hurt my knee and can't come in, and then later they found out I was just partying hardcore that day, I should expect some punishment. The whole issue seems very disrespectful by Naniwa the more I think about it. You're delaying a match because he doesn't feel like playing it? If anything it seems that Naniwa should get 0-2, same as White-ra. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:17 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm not really sure what happened, but to kick off the speculation I can say what I think the crux of the situation was. I repeat, I'm speculating here. I could even have facts wrong where facts are widely known Naniwa wanted to postpone his match so that he could recover from traveling. NASL was ok with it. But then Naniwa played ladder games when he could have been playing his NASL match, and NASL wasn't ok with that. If that's what happened, then I'm kinda leaning toward being on Naniwa's side here. You obviously don't want to play an important match after just coming back from a tournament. So you delay it as long as possible. So let's say you delay it 24 hours. What do you do during those 24 hours to ensure your best performance possible? Some of it is gonna be practicing. Hell, a lot of it might be practicing. In fact, not practicing at all during those 24 hours is one of the worst things you can do. If anyone can summarize all the known facts, please do so! I have to disagree, Naniwa shouldnt be playing when the only basis of his match extension is so he can sleep. Tyler try telling your wife that your too tired to go to the movies then watch a movie at home before going to sleep. I doubt that'll go over well for you  (not the best analogy but I feel the similarities are there) | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:17 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm not really sure what happened, but to kick off the speculation I can say what I think the crux of the situation was. I repeat, I'm speculating here. I could even have facts wrong where facts are widely known Naniwa wanted to postpone his match so that he could recover from traveling. NASL was ok with it. But then Naniwa played ladder games when he could have been playing his NASL match, and NASL wasn't ok with that. If that's what happened, then I'm kinda leaning toward being on Naniwa's side here. You obviously don't want to play an important match after just coming back from a tournament. So you delay it as long as possible. So let's say you delay it 24 hours. What do you do during those 24 hours to ensure your best performance possible? Some of it is gonna be practicing. Hell, a lot of it might be practicing. In fact, not practicing at all during those 24 hours is one of the worst things you can do. If anyone can summarize all the known facts, please do so! I think you basically got it Tyler, except Naniwa also said he was going to sleep which is why he needed a delay. I don't think nani was acting maliciously, I think if it was any other player their would have been more slack. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Naniwa doesn't give NASL a headsup that he might be late/need to postpone. Strelok waits a few hours. naniwa / manager shows up and says "hey I am really tired, mind if I sleep a couple hours and then we play?" Strelok is fine with it. naniwa logs on to bnet and starts commentating games or playing or something. NASL says wtf? Asks Strelok what he wants given that naniwa is doing what he is doing and strelok is pissed obv and takes w/o. Dignitas manager was trying to 3rd party communicate here and was uber mannered about it but between 3 parties some miscommunication occurred. Naniwa was under the impression he was ok to do some commentary or something so it isn't like he was being malicious. But fact remains he was late, didn't contact ahead of time, strelok had to wait due to miscommunication and that is that. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 20 2011 04:14 iNcontroL wrote: no, the speculation is based on falsehoods. Naniwa doesn't give NASL a headsup that he might be late/need to postpone. Strelok waits a few hours. naniwa / manager shows up and says "hey I am really tired, mind if I sleep a couple hours and then we play?" Strelok is fine with it. naniwa logs on to bnet and starts commentating games or playing or something. NASL says wtf? Asks Strelok what he wants given that naniwa is doing what he is doing and strelok is pissed obv and takes w/o. Dignitas manager was trying to 3rd party communicate here and was uber mannered about it but between 3 parties some miscommunication occurred. Naniwa was under the impression he was ok to do some commentary or something so it isn't like he was being malicious. But fact remains he was late, didn't contact ahead of time, strelok had to wait due to miscommunication and that is that. This kind of miscommunication happens all the time in business. But it doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished. The onus is on the player and their manager to anticipate scheduling conflicts and notify NASL and Strelok well in advance. It's basic business etiquette. NASL made the right call. I think not giving Naniwa the loss was charitible, to be honest. EDIT: Actually, the mistake was made by the Dignitas manager. It sounds like he came up with an excuse to delay the match, without letting Naniwa know what it was (that basically it would be rude to do anything other than take a nap or relax for a while). | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:35 syllogism wrote: "Travelling" was him being at DH as a spectator, so him being tired was purely of his own doing and apparently Strelok didn't really want to reschedule, considering his reaction. If Strelok only agreed to reschedule because Naniwa absolutely had to get some sleep, I can see why Naniwa was penalized when he instead started grinding ladder. If you agree to postpone a game for say 24hrs so you can rest up after travelling and a major tournament, it shouldn't matter what you do to "relax" or prepare to be in top shape. I often read a book before I go to bed, fairly sure a ladder game isn't much more stressful for a major tournament player. NASL only job is to say yes or no to the request, not scrutinize or dictate what Naniwa can or cannot do during that time. Or at least, not after the fact. (this going on speculation) Edit: Just read Incontrols post.  Oh well. | ||
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