EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 800
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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Fiercegore
United States294 Posts
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On April 18 2011 07:09 Logo wrote: It's not weird, that's how zerg is. 70-80 workers, 10-14 pop in queens, and 2 pop roaches = not a big army. What if zerg made only 60-65 workers instead of getting so many? Especially with heavy infester play the gas is more important than fully saturating minerals. Also if you aren't going to use queens as support units like catz and spanishiwa do, then stop after 3-4 queens and make macro hatches, I see zergs all the time floating tons of minerals, not making queens would free up supply for more army. Also macro hatches don't suffer from missed inject syndrome. | ||
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nick1689
Australia494 Posts
 , when is it being uploaded to bliptv? | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
If you are just gonna cut queens, add more macro-hatches, cut drones, you are basicly playing protoss/terran with weaker units. And you definatly need 3 bases saturated on minerals = 48 drones Those 6 gasses on 2 bases = 18 drones That is 66 drones already. Let's say another 2 bases only on gas is a total of 78 drones. And go ahead and try to do those gas heavy strategy's with only 2 bases saturated on minerals, it doesn't work, you will constantly be short on minerals and you won't be able to spend your gas. And 3-4 queens is still 6-8 supply, and then with now your very low saturation in minerals your spending much more minerals then usual. I just don't see that working out ;> | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On April 19 2011 21:14 nick1689 wrote: I missed the latest show , when is it being uploaded to bliptv?one week ago :p | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 19 2011 21:14 nick1689 wrote: I missed the latest show , when is it being uploaded to bliptv?Next show is in 12 hours or so, last show is on blip.tv. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
"Kennigit, Kennigit, Kennigit, Kennigit, Kennigit, Shut the Fuck Up" Oh man, you guys seriously need to do another drunk cast sometime. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On April 19 2011 21:16 Icx wrote: The problem there is that blizzard themselves has said that zerg is supposed to be weaker because of the spawn larva mechanic and the economy they can have that they can reinforce like crazy and basicly can smash 2 army's into the other one his 1 army. If you are just gonna cut queens, add more macro-hatches, cut drones, you are basicly playing protoss/terran with weaker units. And you definatly need 3 bases saturated on minerals = 48 drones Those 6 gasses on 2 bases = 18 drones That is 66 drones already. Let's say another 2 bases only on gas is a total of 78 drones. And go ahead and try to do those gas heavy strategy's with only 2 bases saturated on minerals, it doesn't work, you will constantly be short on minerals and you won't be able to spend your gas. And 3-4 queens is still 6-8 supply, and then with now your very low saturation in minerals your spending much more minerals then usual. I just don't see that working out ;> You don't need to fully saturate 3 bases on minerals as a definite, 2 bases fully saturated with like 8-10 on minerals for your 3rd and 4th would work I believe. If zergs went heavy gas strategies which benefits their race due to their race being gas intensive, it lets you tech quickly but still be able to defend. Infesters are amazing units, and with so much gas it lets you do transition into things like nydus, fast double ups, faster hive play. If you combine heavier gas compositions into an aggressive style like what Mondragon was displaying I believe success can be found. The main thing though is that no zergs are trying this idea of cutting drones and queens for macro hatches and going for fast 8 gas etc... If it gets tried and it fails then that's fine but the fact that ideas like this aren't being heavily looked into or being forced (ie: the discussion of TvZ in BW with dropships and scourge) shows that the majority of zergs are too busy whining instead of playing/tinkering. | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
3 bases saturated = 3 * 16 drones Your idea if 2 bases fully saturated and some drones on the other ones = 2 * 16 + 2 * 8/10 Where is the difference? Or if you meant 8-10 drones in minerals in total on your 3rd and 4th (then I'm just being a douche atm with my reaction) then I apologize, but make it a bit clearer then :p But in the end with your idea your still getting let's say 70 drones depending on the amount of gas, while usually zergs their high-end drone count kinda stops at 80. It just isn't that clear always because by the time you start mining your 4th your main is drying up and you are probably starting to transfer. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On April 19 2011 21:32 Icx wrote: Can you like actually do your math before you post? or actually think 3 bases saturated = 3 * 16 drones Your idea if 2 bases fully saturated and some drones on the other ones = 2 * 16 + 2 * 8/10 Where is the difference? Or if you meant 8-10 drones in minerals in total on your 3rd and 4th (then I'm just being a douche atm with my reaction) then I apologize, but make it a bit clearer then :p But in the end with your idea your still getting let's say 70 drones depending on the amount of gas, while usually zergs their high-end drone count kinda stops at 80. It just isn't that clear always because by the time you start mining your 4th your main is drying up and you are probably starting to transfer. 16 +16 + 10 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 Sorry I should have specified I meant 8-10 for your 3rd and 4th, although this adds to 66 drones and if you cut queens and use macro hatches instead you can add more drones onto minerals. Another reason why not needing to saturate your 3rd and 4th minerals so fast because when you maynard from your main you saturate that way, and 70 drones as opposed to 80 with 3-4 queens instead of 5-6 that's 14 supply right there freed up. There's just possibilities is what I'm pointing out. | ||
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nick1689
Australia494 Posts
On April 19 2011 21:18 Ropid wrote: Next show is in 12 hours or so, last show is on blip.tv. Ah lol, my bad. Im on Australian time and forgot to convert timezones :X | ||
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MetalSlug
Germany443 Posts
even tho i totaly enjoyed Artosis short guest appereance the show felt kinda forced and what was up with the akward ending.... left me kinda unsatisfyed.. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
Incontrol: how has the NASL production changed during the first week, if any? Future changes? All: GSL MAY Season All: Have you seen any up and-coming builds, recently? /shifts in the meta-game? | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On April 19 2011 22:01 MetalSlug wrote: last weeks show was kinda weak even tho i totaly enjoyed Artosis short guest appereance the show felt kinda forced and what was up with the akward ending.... left me kinda unsatisfyed..Last weeks show was awesome entirely due to all the BW nostalgia and talk, I wouldn't be opposed to a whole show based on BW experiences and story telling. I found that lost temple discussion hillarious and eye opening. | ||
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BamBam
745 Posts
On April 19 2011 22:11 Hierarch wrote: Last weeks show was awesome entirely due to all the BW nostalgia and talk, I wouldn't be opposed to a whole show based on BW experiences and story telling. I found that lost temple discussion hillarious and eye opening. Who wouldnt... Though with JP cutting it short when the BW talk just so happens to pickup I dont think that will happen anytime soon. *-_- Guy needs to play less WoW. On a lighter note, it did bring me back to pre-brood war starcraft :D, it only makes me wonder how much people would cry imbalance if they played that game today. | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
On April 19 2011 22:25 Energizer wrote: Who wouldnt... Though with JP cutting it short when the BW talk just so happens to pickup I dont think that will happen anytime soon. *-_- Guy needs to play less WoW. Pretty sure he didn't cut it short for that reason. I think he just cut it short after it was drifting over the 1hr mark. 2hr+ sotg are cool for us, but bad for them if they plan on having good guests and hosts every week. I think he just realized he was past 1hr and still didn't even touch questions/shoutouts. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On April 19 2011 22:25 Energizer wrote: Who wouldnt... Though with JP cutting it short when the BW talk just so happens to pickup I dont think that will happen anytime soon. *-_- Guy needs to play less WoW. iirc he said he quit it a few weeks ago, didn't he? | ||
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
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