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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On March 04 2011 23:27 Alabasern wrote: Yeah ^ poor Painuser, he needs his Terran panel! Kawaiirice, Nadaghast, etc. He needs a Terran panel and you give him those two? Lol. Not only based on skill level, but how hard incontrol would troll them. | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
Haven't they both joked about how comfortable PvT is for them right now? Once the patch notes came out they were joking around about how it would be added pressure to not lose any games against a Terran because they would look bad. I can remember Incontrol saying exactly that. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 04 2011 23:37 Whitewing wrote: Really? I have no trouble telling when Tyler is sarcastic, the content of what he's saying gives it away. And they're right, sort of, when they talk about banshees and EMP. They kind of are absurdly strong. Terran as a whole isn't overpowered, but a few individual abilities and units are so freaking strong by themselves that it's kind of ridiculous. But the podcast isn't serious anyway, they make some decent points and we all get to laugh. What's wrong with that? this really isnt the thread for this, but emp and banshees are absurd? every protoss unit beyond gateway meat shields is absurd at its role, terran having a few units like that is hardly a point of dicussion. i agree with you that i dont think its hard to work out when tyler is joking, and geoff too; and normally they are pretty funny i just thought this week the joke went on for far too long and the amount of content in the show suffered because of it | ||
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
please PLEASE PLEASE make sure to have Painuser or other terrans as regular member of the show to make it balanced! It's so much more enjoyable for terran players to have someone be their voice. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On March 04 2011 16:44 HuskyTheHusky wrote: I hear people say this a lot and I dont really agree with it. It seems to be a 'talking point' as of late. The reasons I dont agree with this are: 1) I heavily promote any event that I attend. If I promoted every single event ever then people would stop being interested in what I have to say about the events. 2) I consistently mention Team Liquid in casts and talk about the players they have on their team (and even go out of my way to cast their games for exposure) 3) I have helped Artosis get his videos into much higher quality. I was able to help TB get to where he is now and he is quickly becoming one of the fastest growing gaming channels on YouTube. I have even given Day9 tips on how to make his videos render more smoothly (are lots of problems with Sony Vegas that take a while to learn). 4) I have also helped put PsyStarcraft on the map (a very good Zerg player) as well as recently helping Moletrap (old school Broodwar favorite) spread his videos to my fans. 5) I am working behind the scenes with tons of gaming companies (which is behind the scenes so obviously others dont quite know about it) for their upcoming tournaments, events, etc. There is a lot of cool stuff in the works! 6) I recently posted several replays from the IEM and have been supporting it like crazy, even telling people where to go for the stream and fully supporting Day9/TheLittleOne. Not saying there isnt more I can do, but I just dont understand why people think I'm not actively trying to spread StarCraft and eSports to as many people as possible. Thinking I dont know anything about the game, that I have an annoying voice, that I'm ugly (100% true), or I just am not the commentator for you are all valid critiques and should be voiced if its your opinion. But anyone who says I am doing this for reasons like fame and fortune and that I am not actively trying to support eSports I honestly think are incorrect. I too agree that everyone in the community should work together. Neither of us is a threat to one another (have heard rumors that other personalities see me as stepping on their toes or something, which I think is ridiculous). Contrary to popular believe I dont have beef with anyone, especially IdrA (who I love casting because he's A) good and B) a fan favorite), Incontrol (who is just an oversized and slightly disproportioned teddy bear), and anyone else who people think I have a problem with. There are lots of personalities in the StarCraft community (which is great awesoooome) and we all want the best for the game. We all have completely different styles and techniques for how we think we can help the sport get to where it needs to, but that doesnt mean we dont want the same thing. In the end, haters gonna hate. Edit: I also teamed up with TLO to explode his facebook and heavily promote his livestream. Well said. I, for one, just went from being wishy-washy about you to a full supporter. | ||
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Shinobi1982
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
On March 05 2011 01:30 garlicface wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2011 16:44 HuskyTheHusky wrote: I hear people say this a lot and I dont really agree with it. It seems to be a 'talking point' as of late. The reasons I dont agree with this are: 1) I heavily promote any event that I attend. If I promoted every single event ever then people would stop being interested in what I have to say about the events. 2) I consistently mention Team Liquid in casts and talk about the players they have on their team (and even go out of my way to cast their games for exposure) 3) I have helped Artosis get his videos into much higher quality. I was able to help TB get to where he is now and he is quickly becoming one of the fastest growing gaming channels on YouTube. I have even given Day9 tips on how to make his videos render more smoothly (are lots of problems with Sony Vegas that take a while to learn). 4) I have also helped put PsyStarcraft on the map (a very good Zerg player) as well as recently helping Moletrap (old school Broodwar favorite) spread his videos to my fans. 5) I am working behind the scenes with tons of gaming companies (which is behind the scenes so obviously others dont quite know about it) for their upcoming tournaments, events, etc. There is a lot of cool stuff in the works! 6) I recently posted several replays from the IEM and have been supporting it like crazy, even telling people where to go for the stream and fully supporting Day9/TheLittleOne. Not saying there isnt more I can do, but I just dont understand why people think I'm not actively trying to spread StarCraft and eSports to as many people as possible. Thinking I dont know anything about the game, that I have an annoying voice, that I'm ugly (100% true), or I just am not the commentator for you are all valid critiques and should be voiced if its your opinion. But anyone who says I am doing this for reasons like fame and fortune and that I am not actively trying to support eSports I honestly think are incorrect. I too agree that everyone in the community should work together. Neither of us is a threat to one another (have heard rumors that other personalities see me as stepping on their toes or something, which I think is ridiculous). Contrary to popular believe I dont have beef with anyone, especially IdrA (who I love casting because he's A) good and B) a fan favorite), Incontrol (who is just an oversized and slightly disproportioned teddy bear), and anyone else who people think I have a problem with. There are lots of personalities in the StarCraft community (which is great awesoooome) and we all want the best for the game. We all have completely different styles and techniques for how we think we can help the sport get to where it needs to, but that doesnt mean we dont want the same thing. In the end, haters gonna hate. Edit: I also teamed up with TLO to explode his facebook and heavily promote his livestream. Well said. I, for one, just went from being wishy-washy about you to a full supporter. Oh and didn't husky & HDstarcraft do the HDH invitational wich was basicly the biggest tournament in the beta, and the first time we really got to see foreigner vs korea? | ||
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Naftali
United States54 Posts
Variety is also important, as I stated earlier. Painuser is cool, but when I saw he was the guest, I didn't feel I needed to go through the trouble of downloading it cause I don't think I'm going to hear any new perspectives. Likewise when Idra is a guest. | ||
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
On the other hand I want to punch a sleeping baby in the face every time incontrol's typing comes over his mic. PLEASE FIX IT! | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
I think DeMuslim will be perfect. He is British and thus we can have more fun with accents and humor. DeMuslim and Rotterdam like to do impersonations of accents as well to make fun of people in a good way so that will be a good fit. And he is a damn good Terran player of course. Plus, he is a badass so he probably won't get bullied and stay quiet on the stream. Gretorp would be fun as well. Drewbie i agree. Qxc might be a little awkward since they will try to troll him the whole time and he will just be super serious and the whole show will be awkward / boring. The cauthonluck ep was good. Too bad he retired =( | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
On March 04 2011 23:06 Rabiator wrote: Sure Geoff and Tyler are fun and important to the show - and I like both of them - but when discussing patch notes they need to NOT make jokes and stick to an objective and serious discussion because sarcasm and their kind of fun is easily misquoted all the time on the internet. Arguing in a "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" way like the bros did in the case of "Banshee vs Dark Templar" debate is kinda bad if you ask me, because both units are clearly meant for different roles and comparing a ranged flying unit to a melee ground unit is kinda like compairing apples to elephants.(*1) I am *never* able to tell when Tyler is being sarcastic, simply because his voice never ever changes. The only thing I can do then is guessing what he means, but I am still not sure and that is kinda bad in an environment where people tend to get emotional about tiny things. Even if I think they are making fun, both are blowing "Terran is imba"-trumpet constantly (EMP is soo strong, cloaked Banshees are so much better than DTs, ...) and that is kinda tiring me of the show because people who use these phrases (or talk in such a way) are not trying to be objective. Even if IdrA is on the show there is no one who talks about the problems of Terrans. Its not like Terrans have an easy day on the field when they play and an automatic win. The argument PainUser gave for the removal of the Khaydarin Amulet and the "sluggish acceptance" of this argument by at least Tyler shows some one-sidedness of their views. So IMO the show needs to make sure what kind of show it wants to be: either serious and objective on the serious topics(*2) or just the "fun trash talk corner" all around. In any case there needs to be a permanent Terran or a toning down of the one-sidedness or else the show is getting too "Terran-is-imbaish". Btw.: I dont *hate* either of them and using that word in the context of other people most of us dont know personally is nothing other than "putting fuel into the fire" of a potential flame war. "Hater" and "Troll" (or their verb-form) never ever help a discussion. (*1) Apples are imba, because they can be red and that is probably the most popular color in the world. /sarcasm off (*2) "Game balance" really is the only one that comes to mind here and patch notes and maps belong into this category. I havnt seen any of them say terran is imba once, there was a bit of discussion about how emp is possibly too strong for one move doing 100 dmg, the whole banshee vs dt thing is a jokey arguement similar to what extended series became, and tyler didnt show one sidedness when it came to the amulet he said it didnt bother him as he never used it, i dont know where you got the opinion they think terran is too imba they were joking about the pressure of losing to a terran now as they had been nerfed so much. | ||
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
On March 04 2011 23:06 Rabiator wrote: Sure Geoff and Tyler are fun and important to the show - and I like both of them - but when discussing patch notes they need to NOT make jokes and stick to an objective and serious discussion because sarcasm and their kind of fun is easily misquoted all the time on the internet. Arguing in a "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" way like the bros did in the case of "Banshee vs Dark Templar" debate is kinda bad if you ask me, because both units are clearly meant for different roles and comparing a ranged flying unit to a melee ground unit is kinda like compairing apples to elephants.(*1) Even if I think they are making fun, both are blowing "Terran is imba"-trumpet constantly (EMP is soo strong, cloaked Banshees are so much better than DTs, ...) and that is kinda tiring me of the show because people who use these phrases (or talk in such a way) are not trying to be objective. Even if IdrA is on the show there is no one who talks about the problems of Terrans. Its not like Terrans have an easy day on the field when they play and an automatic win. The argument PainUser gave for the removal of the Khaydarin Amulet and the "sluggish acceptance" of this argument by at least Tyler shows some one-sidedness of their views. So IMO the show needs to make sure what kind of show it wants to be: either serious and objective on the serious topics(*2) or just the "fun trash talk corner" all around. In any case there needs to be a permanent Terran or a toning down of the one-sidedness or else the show is getting too "Terran-is-imbaish". . Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I'm pretty sure if you asked most progamers on that show, they'd all tell you that when the dust settles, the impetus is on the player to adapt and find strategies rather than to throw up arms and cry imba. That attitude just doesn't help you win tournaments or succeed in a competitive mindset. At the very least, iNcontroL has stated many times that people can't expect mules, 4 gate, and 2 rax to be removed from the game somehow. People need to adapt and find ways around it. Broodwar had a 10 year history, SC2 barely has 1. However, when the topic of the show is the discussion of patch notes, you can't expect the players to not discuss their views on how changes will affect the balance of the game. Of course players are going to be biased towards or against their race. Ultimately, Starcraft is their trade, and their race is the tool by which they ply that trade. Heck if you take that into account, they should be more serious not because the integrity of the show is somehow at stake, but moreso because the game they stake their living on is changing. Instead they know not to take themselves so seriously all the time. The DT/Banshee debate was a humorous discussion left over from past SotGs. It really shouldn't be read into any more than that, there aren't any balance claims being made. The question was simply "Would you rather have banshees? Or DTs". The same humorous discussion could probably be made about a ton of other units. "Would you rather have Thors? Or Collosi?" I'm sure that would spark a fun discussion. Besides that, I didn't see anything that was overly sarcastic or unprofessional. Taking out all the jokes and fun comments, I'd say there is still a huge amount of serious theorycrafting, critical thinking, and good arguments being discussed in terms of balance such that we need not worry about the show not being serious enough. When map balance discussion was the topic (Ret was the guest), after joking aside, an excellent conclusion was reached which was to allow maps to be thumbed up, instead of thumbed down. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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Pervect
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On March 05 2011 02:58 AzurewinD wrote: ... "Would you rather have Thors? Or Collosi?" I'm sure that would spark a fun discussion. ... If the collossus had the Thor voiceset, there wouldn't be any discussion at all...  | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
Although he may seem disinterested at times, I believe he truly has the community at heart.As for the previous SotG, I was bursting in laughter with the PvT debate. I love PainUser's attitude during the discussion; how he fearlessly states his opinion without being a douche. Like as much as I love IdrA (and I don't want him to change), his attitude during discussions has the "I'm right, end of discussion" tone behind it. Great episode this week, JP! | ||
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On March 05 2011 03:08 zarepath wrote: Husky's response to haters on this thread is like the complete opposite of TotalBiscuit's response to haters in this same thread. And won him a lot of fans (myself included) as opposed as TB who won more haters (myself included) | ||
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