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I honestly would not have any idea what Team Liquid was, or who Idra, Nony, InControl, Day9, TLO, White Ra, Tasteless or Artosis were if I hadn't discovered Husky and HD on Youtube and followed the HDH invitational.
That one tournament blew up the SC2 fanbase bigger than people realize.
There are a lot of complaints about Husky and HD's casting ... but I honestly don't see a significant difference between their casting and some of the 'pro's' that have turned to casting, in terms of overall added value. I don't want to start listing off other casters and all their faults, but everyone has weaknesses.
And it sees pretty petty when people point to Husky and HD's MLG appearance as an example of how bad they are, considering it was probably their first video cast. Look at how rocky Gretorp's and Incontrol's recent showmatch was, or Kelly Milke's initial (and ongoing) struggle.
The only people that I consider 'experts' at casting Starcraft are Day9, Artosis and Tasteless. Everyone else is just learning and improving. That's my opinion, anyway.
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Experts and pioneers! ^ ^
What a hobby! Day adds loads to SOTG when he can cheerfully attend!
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On March 05 2011 07:11 HuskyTheHusky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 06:39 Sorkoas wrote:On March 04 2011 19:25 Sorkoas wrote:
I was actually going to PM Husky here or on YouTube with this matter but it seems relevant to the discussion here and I hope he will read it.
Something that I really dislike about both yours and HD's videos you put up on YouTube is that most of times (from what I can remember) you don't mention where you got the replays from. As in which tournament, who their sponsors are and if it has been casted before. Many times I go to YouTube and try find a game I remember seeing on some other cast and I find a casted version put up by you or HD and it feels like you are both taking content and viewers from the original casters who might even have been an official caster for that tournament.
So yeah, I wish you could give some more credit to the guys you got the replay from and even mention who did cast it originally. I'm sure it won't affect your own viewer count with your already great amount of fame/popularity. Well I'm not surprised to see you ignore this post, Husky. However if you really care about the SC2 community you should realize how serious this is. Using content without giving any credit to the tournament organizer/sponsor.... really bad. If I know where a replay is from I will say it in the cast. You can see that in my most recent videos and can also see that in the TL replays I cast. When I do a cast I have a notepad open with talking points on my second monitor (this usually includes where the replay is from, the stats for the players and anything else I can reasonably find out about it). Some times I dont get to all of them or I completely forget because I get into the game. Also, I simply do not know where every single replay is from on my channel. With over 800 videos (not to mention the 700 BW videos I used to have) there is bound to be some in there that I dont say 'THANKS TO COCACOLA, INTEL, REDDIT, TEAM LIQUID, MY MOM AND WATER FOR BRINGING US THIS FASCINATING REPLAY' but I have actively been trying to promote those who provide good replays for the community. As far as mentioning who has casted the replay before me, if someone is paid or sponsored to do a replay and I pick it up as well (I almost never do this unless I have permission or I know the company wants the replays to be public) then I will mention them if I know the origins of the replay.
TY for the responses and keeping super cool under the criticism, thank you for all that you've done for SC2 and the community in general and I only hope for more and greater developments for ya man!
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Yep, I love the GSL and I'm really looking forward to the NASL, but i never would have gotten into e-sports if I had not stumbled across Husky and HD last year.
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I just wanted to say that I, like many other people in this thread, was first brought into starcraft by husky and hd, and I would like to thank them for that.
One of my friends who had a beta key persuaded me to go to a guy called hd's channel to watch this game between thelittleone against liquidnazgul from a tournament in sc2 called the hdh invitational.
At the time I had no idea who these players where, I had dabbled a bit in BW, but I had essentially no idea of what it was going to be like.
After a game with like 7 nukes, many at the same time, I was hooked forever.
So thank you, for bringing me here :D
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^^ I tried to start a HD or Husky Fanclub thread outside of creating the original posting in TL community and I didn't file it correctly under BLOGS and Kennigit crushed it in < 5 minutes.
JP have you contacted either of them for your show? Is MLG considering their return to an event?
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I fully agree with the sentiments about Husky and HD.
They blew the SC2 scene up with the quality stuff they did and fully deserve the success they have for taking the initiative.
Anybody could have done this (if they could be arsed to commit most of their time), even the well-known old school people ( they were in a better position to do so) but they didnt hook on until it was too late.
Well done
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On March 05 2011 23:54 Alabasern wrote:
^^ I tried to start a HD or Husky Fanclub thread outside of creating the original posting in TL community and I didn't file it correctly under BLOGS and Kennigit crushed it in < 5 minutes.
JP have you contacted either of them for your show? Is MLG considering their return to an event?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=198508#1
You tried to start this pile of trash, which is essentially "Hey, someone make a Husky / HD fanclub!". That's why it was closed.
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On March 06 2011 01:52 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 23:54 Alabasern wrote:
^^ I tried to start a HD or Husky Fanclub thread outside of creating the original posting in TL community and I didn't file it correctly under BLOGS and Kennigit crushed it in < 5 minutes.
JP have you contacted either of them for your show? Is MLG considering their return to an event? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=198508#1You tried to start this pile of trash, which is essentially "Hey, someone make a Husky / HD fanclub!". That's why it was closed.
Ouch!
I'm sure husky and HD's youtube page is enough of a fanclub.....
It's been a while since I have seen day9 on the show and actually say anything except for announcing he is eating.... is he going to be on the next SotG?
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Oh Chill Chill Chill good smash! I love your commentaries! I can't wait to hear the TSL3 Bracket cast, Good show, good times!
Yeah their youtube is enough I suppose, I didn't mean to fill up TL with a "throne of filth".
I'm recovering irl from a surgery and illness here and I really appreciate it Chill that you came here to crush me to death! Good work on the TSL Open Q's! I hope you and DJwheat have casting spots in various leagues!
Chill have you been asked by JP to appear on SOTG for any sort of discussion or public relations? If SOTG ever had a community outreach portion on a cast, I'm sure the mods here @ TeamLiquid would have great input into the technical organization of the SC2 esports community.
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I keep hoping one day we'll get some kind of explanation as to why HDH2 never happened (not holding breath).
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I don't see why people hate husky :| I guess its a trend just to be like "oh i watch top level casters and im totally pretentious about it so I don't watch husky". I can see why top level players would critique casters though, but not anyone else...
I think husky is a great caster, I don't watch him personally (my only real complaint with him is how he says "he doesn't know" something but then follows up with the correct answer every time  ) but he has a lot of youtube subscribers so I'm not about to say he's useless to the community :|
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Next SotG should have some PvZ discussion if you can get IdrA and maybe another Zerg on. Seeing as PvZ is a current area of contention with many claiming imbalance and the panel is so Protoss-heavy, why not?
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When exactly the live matches with Day9 and Husky commentary will be ?
Cant find any info about it ;<
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I am glad they had painuser in the current sotg. Incontrol and tyler are really biased towards terran being overpowered sometimes. Especially with that "dt vs banshees", "OC/PF vs chrono boost" stuff, so its good to have a terran in the show every now and then.
And dts ARE much more useful than banshees in the lategame. Warping in 3-4 dts and sending them to random terran expansions without worrying about them any further is sooo strong. You cant to that with banshees, because they have to be manually cloaked and moved around cannons, while dts cant be killed by turrets, are perma cloaked, have higher dps and move faster.
Also, incontrols reasoning is really bad sometimes. "banshee are flying hellicopters, shooting heat seeking missle at supersonic speed at their targets, while a dt is some guy with a blade running around on the ground. Which one could be better?"
I mean, srsly, thats like saying marines/marauders are underpowered against zealots, because they are criminals without any good battle training carrying some pew pew guns, while zealots are warriors from a superior alien race, using frigging laserswords to cut their victims into 2 pieces.
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On March 06 2011 09:38 Grummler wrote:
I mean, srsly, thats like saying marines/marauders are underpowered against zealots, because they are criminals without any good battle training carrying some pew pew guns, while zealots are warriors from a superior alien race, using frigging laserswords to cut their victims into 2 pieces.
actually that statement has made me ponder the opposite. WHY are marine/maruaders so good against zlots if this is true?! lmaoo
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On March 06 2011 09:38 Grummler wrote:
Also, incontrols reasoning is really bad sometimes. "banshee are flying hellicopters, shooting heat seeking missle at supersonic speed at their targets, while a dt is some guy with a blade running around on the ground. Which one could be better?"
I mean, srsly, thats like saying marines/marauders are underpowered against zealots, because they are criminals without any good battle training carrying some pew pew guns, while zealots are warriors from a superior alien race, using frigging laserswords to cut their victims into 2 pieces.
I really don't think he meant that as a serious argument. It came across as a joke to me.
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On March 06 2011 09:41 da_head wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 09:38 Grummler wrote:
I mean, srsly, thats like saying marines/marauders are underpowered against zealots, because they are criminals without any good battle training carrying some pew pew guns, while zealots are warriors from a superior alien race, using frigging laserswords to cut their victims into 2 pieces.
actually that statement has made me ponder the opposite. WHY are marine/maruaders so good against zlots if this is true?! lmaoo
You have to wonder why a ranged unit has a "head start advantage" over a melee unit? If you add Marauder Concussive Shell the advantage gets bigger in the hands of a skilled Terran player. I am not saying that one side or the other is IMBA ... it is just a systematic difference which every "ranged vs melee comparison" has and if you have several ranks of ranged units shooting one rank of melee units after another and kill them before they can do much damage it shouldnt be hard to come up with an explanation for one-sided battles.
An unspecific description:
- ranged units can stack their efficiency by focusing fire
- melee units cant stack their efficiency because only few of them can hit the same target.
On March 06 2011 10:37 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 09:38 Grummler wrote:
Also, incontrols reasoning is really bad sometimes. "banshee are flying hellicopters, shooting heat seeking missle at supersonic speed at their targets, while a dt is some guy with a blade running around on the ground. Which one could be better?"
I mean, srsly, thats like saying marines/marauders are underpowered against zealots, because they are criminals without any good battle training carrying some pew pew guns, while zealots are warriors from a superior alien race, using frigging laserswords to cut their victims into 2 pieces.
I really don't think he meant that as a serious argument. It came across as a joke to me.
Things like these get misquoted all the time and in an environment where flame wars and whines are happening regularly I would say it would be helpful not to have "fun comments" like these on "balance relevant topics". The internet is all about quoting the quotes of a quote a lot of time and without the pronounciation or the actual context the meaning isnt clear a lot of time.
You could not tell if "Grummler" knew it was meant as a joke or not and it doesnt matter and this should make the dilemma quite clear.
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what day is this on? i rather listen to it live
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