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On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd.
Can we get Day9 to do ridiculous commentary for this? Remake of Chill vs CombatEx.
On a serious note, I would like to spectate this.
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On August 05 2010 02:53 graphene wrote:
maybe the hydra into tier 1.5, 1 [pop and making it weaker and buffing roaches and making them tier 2 idea would solve some problems. Change game too much imo
Hydra's are sooooo good dps and you want them to be t1.5 ? 
And roach that isn't used alot atm moved to t2 but buffing them? I think it might create more problems for Z than solve.
Although I am not a Z expert.
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On August 05 2010 02:48 shannn wrote:
I'm a P player and I should say that seriously of all races Z is the race that got nerfed most and T most buffed. But still you see the top Z pro's still beating most T pro's but the lower skilled players are having trouble because they aren't like the pro's :p and thus have a hard time in certain MU's (T mech?).
Maybe we're watching different games, but I see top Terrans beat Zergs much more often than the other way around. Especially in Korean matches (with the exception of Cool). I'll admit that I don't watch games on the Euro server, though...
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On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd. By the way, if you didn't realize by now, here's why your posts suck: 1. You call the statements of high level diamond players "copper league ideas" while questioning whether they really are good players. 2. You say everyone who thinks 1 supply roach is unfair doesn't understand the race when it's actually you who doesn't understand the race and it's production capabilities. 3. I correct you and you get all defensive, flaunting your big shot 1800+ rating. 4. You call me a troll because you refuse to believe the people you just made fun of are better than you. 5. You call me a bad player because I point out that you're wrong. 6. You're still trying to act like a big shot even though you're terrible. 7. But you still try to save face, saying "oh, even if I'm worse than you my argument still stands. Roach at 1 supply is totally fair because the Terran and Protoss have units that can counter roaches." 8. That argument is terrible because it doesn't take into consideration ANYTHING besides a Zerg getting pure roaches and the other race's reaction to that. You don't consider how the races work and interact with each other. You just see "omg marauders beat roaches on paper, ez balance." 9. You overuse the word troll, and it's annoying as hell. I don't know what internet shithole you crawled out from, but please don't bring their crap here.
kids lucky u stopped at 9 cuz you coulda gone on forever, i know i can ^^
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Hydras T1.5 Roach T2? I'll start playing Terran and make pure Hellion army vs Zerg and win everytime. Makes no sense.
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On August 05 2010 02:53 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd. Can we get Day9 to do ridiculous commentary for this? Remake of Chill vs CombatEx. On a serious note, I would like to spectate this.
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On August 05 2010 02:59 tacrats wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2010 02:53 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd. Can we get Day9 to do ridiculous commentary for this? Remake of Chill vs CombatEx. On a serious note, I would like to spectate this. +1
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On August 05 2010 02:55 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:48 shannn wrote:
I'm a P player and I should say that seriously of all races Z is the race that got nerfed most and T most buffed. But still you see the top Z pro's still beating most T pro's but the lower skilled players are having trouble because they aren't like the pro's :p and thus have a hard time in certain MU's (T mech?). Maybe we're watching different games, but I see top Terrans beat Zergs much more often than the other way around. Especially in Korean matches (with the exception of Cool). I'll admit that I don't watch games on the Euro server, though...
Lately or since p2 ? As far as I watched tournaments / clanwars / streaming I've seen Z winning more vs T than the other way around. Or either I'm just watching just when Z wins and missing out on the T raping Z more often (on high level play ofc).
There was a thread which had stats of each race MU I don't know which section it was but need to look first for link.
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As I said before, Roach should be buffed a bit (but kept @ 2 supply)
- 10-20% base MS would be an idea
- +1 range
Or, rework it so it's 1.5 supply (Roach dealing 10-11 damage @ 1 supply, and either spawn one/egg or two/egg) with appropriate costs/armor/etc reworked, so it remains balanced from all PoVs
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Roaches are really ok at 2 food.
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I agree with the infestor changes
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On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd. By the way, if you didn't realize by now, here's why your posts suck: 1. You call the statements of high level diamond players "copper league ideas" while questioning whether they really are good players. 2. You say everyone who thinks 1 supply roach is unfair doesn't understand the race when it's actually you who doesn't understand the race and it's production capabilities. 3. I correct you and you get all defensive, flaunting your big shot 1800+ rating. 4. You call me a troll because you refuse to believe the people you just made fun of are better than you. 5. You call me a bad player because I point out that you're wrong. 6. You're still trying to act like a big shot even though you're terrible. 7. But you still try to save face, saying "oh, even if I'm worse than you my argument still stands. Roach at 1 supply is totally fair because the Terran and Protoss have units that can counter roaches." 8. That argument is terrible because it doesn't take into consideration ANYTHING besides a Zerg getting pure roaches and the other race's reaction to that. You don't consider how the races work and interact with each other. You just see "omg marauders beat roaches on paper, ez balance." 9. You overuse the word troll, and it's annoying as hell. I don't know what internet shithole you crawled out from, but please don't bring their crap here.
1. I quoted players saying 'mass roach is all u need' or 'ultralist has always been strong'. Copper is of course an exagregation, although the logic could clearly be seen.
2. You are extrapolating too much, could you tell me your logic in why I laughed at certain ridiculous arguement, decribing them as have no serious understanding of the race = I say any1 who think 1 supply is unfair does not have a good understanding? Do I even say that I think 1 supply is perfectly fair?
3. You are correcting my joke - i.e. describing ridiculous ideas as copper league, plus saying every1 I laughed at is 1 light year better than me - it doesn't show that you don't understand usage of exagregation/joke.
4. I laughed at certain ideas, u laughed at me, which means you agree with those ideas, and concluding they are way better than me without any knowledge about me, thus I say u are trolling.
5. I call any1 who agree with those ideas I laughed at as 'bad players', obviously u did.
6. If u think 'terrible' is the correct description for a top 100 ranked player at that time, then go ahead. PS: I couldn't even imagine what will the decription be using a same standard on majority of the players, indeed some1 is acting big. 
7. Seems you just didn't get my arguement or intentionally distorting. My initial arguement is that certain arguement about how mighty roaches were and how good Ultralists are since the beginning of the beta, the next one is just 'mass roaches means you won't survive mid game, not to mention reaching 200/200'. I am interested in the logic in deriving what u described as '"oh, even if I'm worse than you my argument still stands. Roach at 1 supply is totally fair because the Terran and Protoss have units that can counter roaches." Do I even say that 1 supply roaches are perfectly fine in the 1st place?
8. your arguement is terrible because if you take into consideration about possible reaction/dynamics of the game you'll find in most of the cases you won't end up with 200/200 roaches, and this is why any top level replay from top players didn't have this scenario occuring.
If this could rarely occur, then why could such a scenario be a valid arguement supporting the roach nerf? How different it is from saying 200/200 BCs are too much for P to handle?
9. Rofl, imagine as you like. :D
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On August 05 2010 03:01 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:59 tacrats wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2010 02:53 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd. Can we get Day9 to do ridiculous commentary for this? Remake of Chill vs CombatEx. On a serious note, I would like to spectate this. +1 +2 this would be awesome!
No. Let's get this thread back on track. Sorry for derailing it, OP. 
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I really feel that the only changes needed to fix zerg are making roach 1 supply and giving NP it's unlimited duration again. Roach at 1 supply was never op, it had been nerfed more than enough already. Without it zerg lacks significant t1 presence.
You can't mess with roach hp because then different units will kill them in lesser numbers of hits and you'll throw balance off even more if thors two shotted roaches etc.
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On August 05 2010 02:07 Jameser wrote:
i don't think roaches need higher supply, but zerg players overall need to start using the infestor a lot more
I think this is true. Infestor is Lair unit, you can get one quick. I'm not a zerg player, but it seems zerg can use it a lot more.
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On August 05 2010 03:06 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 03:01 R0YAL wrote:On August 05 2010 02:59 tacrats wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2010 02:53 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:45 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:24 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 02:07 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 02:02 koswinner wrote:On August 05 2010 01:52 Saracen wrote:On August 05 2010 01:48 koswinner wrote:
I laughted at copper league ideas that '200/200 roaches' are everything u need to win, or 'zerg mass hydra/roaches all the time', or 'ultralist has always been strong'.
Rofl, do u really play zerg at high level or have any serious idea about the race/unit? I'm 100% sure everyone in this thread that you just tried to make fun of is light years better than you. rofl, back in beta days, I had 1800+ rating, the number of people that are ranked higher than me is surely more than the number of people in this thread, but statistically the chance that every1 in this thread is better than me is 0. learn some math before going out trolling kid. And if you got a chance, just go back times when roaches are 1 supply and u try to mass them, I'll be laughing at ur win%. Almost all mainstream strategies from T/P at that time rapes you hard for sure. Ofc I'm not too familiar with the situation in copper league. And meanwhile, enjoy your fansy imaginations about how much better you are than me. :D You're bragging about a 1800+ rating? Really? Really? Every single person you just quoted was 2000+ in phase one, and now is at the top of the ladder phase two. And I'll gladly play you. Hell, I'll even offrace against you. Because let me tell you something: 1800+ doesn't mean shit. Rofl, when I quit 1v1 the highest ranking in EU server i.e. TLO was only 210X. But I'm sure that even without playing 1v1 for like 2 months I'll be enough to pwn you. Why don't we play? MSG me ur details.:D I'm glad to see how a noob who thinks zerg only need to mass roaches to win can even play. Unfortunately I'm not a brainless person (like some1 in this post) who thinks 'if I could / my friend could beat u, I am right with my argument.' Let me just shed some light to you, ALL replay from top players back then shows that no one actually massing only roaches (except zvz). Massing roaches even with a successful FE are easily beaten by 1. MMM ball, which every1 plays at that time, where every1 plays at that time. 2. pure maurauder not to mention with a couple of tanks. 3, fast banshees, etc. from T. From P, gateway mix with immortals/colossus, all u need is a few good FF or some cheese strat like fast voidrays. The chance for you to survive the midgame pressure from these pushes are extremely low if u had only roaches. Actually play me or not, ur trolling nature is just so obvious to anyone who have a actual knowledge. :D PM'd. Can we get Day9 to do ridiculous commentary for this? Remake of Chill vs CombatEx. On a serious note, I would like to spectate this. +1 +2 this would be awesome! No. Let's get this thread back on track. Sorry for derailing it, OP.
Noo no chickening out jk
About this problem, is it possible, to make Roaches cost 1.5 supply, as zerglings cost 0.5 supply? Its the middlest middle ground I can think of.
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Roaches are essentially destined to fail, both the opposing races T1.5 equivalents are direct counters with higher speed, better range, and much better upgrades. The major problem I have with Roaches is that I can't amass them easily because I am constantly supply capped when trying to do so. As a Zerg player I feel very limited, the only real variation Zerg have is what kind of opening to do.
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On August 05 2010 01:24 Piy wrote:
Ultralisks are ridiculously strong in the current build you know. The Roach nerf make holding off some early terran pressure hard, but that's a general problem not just an issue with the roach.
Go make some ultralisks, they just rape everything terran makes currently.
Neural Parasite is still devastating against Thor builds and harass.
I agree ZvZ sucks though
Zergs Hive Units are very strong, agreed.
But either you suffer too much early game or the game has already ended.
For Zerg it's pretty much; hopefully the opponent is too dumb to not end the game before i have Hive.
Zergs early Game options aren't very good, in pretty much all the Match-Ups.
Against Terran, even the Mid Game Units are nearly useless.
What needs or could be done is:
-Reduce Turret damage
-Reduce Thor Air damage output and/or range
+Change Roach supply cost back to 1
+Make Overlord Drop, Overlord Speed and Burrow upgrades more viable (cheaper or combine the ovi upgrades)
+Change the Nydus Worm (more hp, reduce build time, reduce unload time, make it able to build multiple exits or something like that)
+Change Infestors Neural Parasite (longer range, longer duration, reduce energy cost, reduce research time and cost or make it able to been cast when burrowed. These are just a few suggestions).
Those changes wouldn't make Zerg imbalanced, it would just ensure that Zerg can use the mechanics, that were designed for them.
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I'm a Zerg player and think Roaches are fine atm.
However, the nerf to Infestors is terrible, and needs to be rectified. This 12sec thing is unnecessary, either have a 12 sec limit or make it so that we don't need to upgrade the skill anymore.
Ultras are an excellent way to deal with mech, and I really do understand why they are in the tech tree so late. However, I feel that the spawn time on them needs to be significantly reduced.
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I actually think a 1.5 supply Roach with 2 per Larva would be a better idea. You could get more Roaches (because of 2 per larva) out in the early game to defend against the 500 possible things Terran can throw at you. And it would probably make a decent number of Roaches viable late game.
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