EPTOn July 05 2010 04:13 link0 wrote:
You can easily achieve Rank 1 Diamond with 70 in-game APM, like me.
You can easily achieve Rank 1 Diamond with 70 in-game APM, like me.
I wouldn't emphasize that too much.
How good can you get with low APM? - Page 6
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Chaoz
United States507 Posts
I wouldn't emphasize that too much. | ||
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die.terran
United States18 Posts
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On July 05 2010 00:59 Melt wrote: in SC2 you need about half the APM than in SCBW, so around 150 should be ok to do pretty much everything you need/want to do (especially as protoss who don't require quite as much APM as Terran or Zerg). From where did u pull out this totally bs stat | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On July 05 2010 04:27 die.terran wrote: I don't think people should be worried about apm as much as they are. Increasing apm does have its benefits, such as better multitasking, but also has its drawbacks. For me, when I try to spam and play faster, I usually end up making mistakes, such as forgetting supply depots or not macroing correctly. Thus, I feel like you should not focus on increasing apm, but just focus on doing other things, such as macroing. Over time, I bet you you will see your apm rising, while having improved at playing the game. The idea of apm isn't spamming and only useful apm matters. So I don't get what drawbacks there is. If you spam yourself an 200 apm and misclick in the process it's not a useful apm, but if you have 200 apm and still hit everything you want. It's just a good thing. But I agree with your solution, that you just should focus on playing correctly and the apm will increase by itself | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 05 2010 04:28 Darkren wrote: From where did u pull out this totally bs stat This stat definetly isn't true. When someone says how much APM you need, how does number get chosen?... Higher APM is ALWAYS better than lower APM. 150 APM is enough to play at diamond level for sure but 200 APM with same effeciency will be stronger, there is always more APM needed for better micro, better macro mechanics etc. Overall SC2 is a game where strategy is more important than the other things in the game, and we don't need to deny that fact. I do think the APM needed for all races is pretty equal in SC2... And well 150 might not be a bad number to be honest. 150 APM will get you diamond, and in SC1 with 250 APM you can play at B level. I do think as the overall skill level of the game increases so will the needed APM to compete with the competition. [EDIT]: Learning APM is like learning a language. You learn it the best just by playing, not analysing stuff like this. | ||
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wsfosho
United States2 Posts
You can also compare IQ and APM. After a certain IQ - 120, you are deemed a genius. If you have a 195 IQ, it doesn't mean that you will be highly successful. Christopher Langan had a 195 IQ and he is a bouncer. What it takes to be successful at this game is creativity. These are the kind of people who wins Nobel Prizes - not everyone above 120 will have one. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
On July 05 2010 04:01 Skillz_Man wrote: I can't stress enough that APM comes naturally. I think this is well said. Also someone else mentioned that forcing your apm up by spamming can cause you to make mistakes. This is also well-said Forcibly spamming will make you lose focus on what you're about to do. That's happened to me when I tried to copy NaDa's first person fingering back in BW... it was such a mess because it was like trying to build a complicated house with a simple blueprint. To generalize, higher APM accompanied by experience allows for the player to execute almost everything in-game with greater precision and effect. A crude example of the positive APM to precision/effect correlation would be control of the initial worker scout: If one's intent is basic recon, then a few commands issued to the worker would be sufficient. Utilization of the scout to accomplish minor harassment such as manner gas or even dancing around the base, requires subsequently higher APM. More difficult harassment such as indefinitely occupying an enemy mineral patch (issuing stop / gather commands intermittently) would require even a greater degree of alertness and APM. So upon further reflection, I really don't think anyone should encourage complacency at a so-called competitive APM of 120 or even 150... If more pew pew is desired in sc2, then more apm must be utilized! | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
On July 05 2010 05:33 SCC-Faust wrote: I wonder how many of the people giving advice in this thread are actually platinum. Probably most since the leagues got redone. :p | ||
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Copperhead
Canada97 Posts
On July 05 2010 03:06 fams wrote: I would also like to remind you, I am almost positive that axslav has never won a major event in his life. He uses creative plays to win a few matches and beat some good players. i agree he hasnt won many event on sc2 yet...but on wc3 he did...with 4x less apm than his oppenent....yeah so i see already see some troll say: yeah but wc3 is skilless and doesnt require apm.... yeah sure that what most sc player say...and most wc3 player say the same thing about sc im not saying if a game require more skill than the other...idc much about this....my point is acording to many people...axslav was one of the best random wc3 player in the world...(idk if its true or not http://www.mymym.com/en/article/804.html ) im not saying apm isnt important or apm is important...im just saying its not because you dont have 200 apm it means your bad....or if you have above 200 apm your good! nah As my self...ive been rank 1 in MOST last reset ...and i have around 100 apm...which i beleive is low (sorry if my english suck im doing my best  ) | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
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Decko
United States150 Posts
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
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TheMick
Great Britain164 Posts
Morpheus: How did I beat you? Neo: You... you're too fast. Morpheus: Do you believe that my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? APM can be low or high through the entire game doesnt matter, as long as your reactions and accuary are good at key moments when there needed you'll be fine. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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WhistlingMtn
United States190 Posts
Things that you should slow down for, regardless of how skilled you are. For the vast majority of games once you start bumping around 200 anything additional ends up being a distraction from accuracy ( and likely a strain on your eyes and mind that will just make you worse. ). The only reason it was necessary in brood war was because of the macro mechanics( or lack there of ). In SC2, not necessary. You need about 60-70APM for macro and about 60-70 additional APM for each battle going on, so you should be around 200 if you are macro-ing, fighting a main battle, and fighting a side battle. | ||
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