EPTWell that refereeing was a disgrace.. viva España I guess!
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Well that refereeing was a disgrace.. viva España I guess! | ||
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sharkie
Austria18480 Posts
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
And when they showed it at a constant speed it looked like absoletely nothing. But when you switch between speeds you can make any such situation look bad. This was certainly way less of an hand ball than the Cucurella situation. And no clue where this crying about refs comes from. Imho this was one of the tournaments least impacted by refs that I can remember. | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
On July 11 2024 15:36 mahrgell wrote: That angle was shown multiple times yesterday before they even considered the other foul due to one Dutch defender complaining. And when they showed it at a constant speed it looked like absoletely nothing. But when you switch between speeds you can make any such situation look bad. This was certainly way less of an hand ball than the Cucurella situation. And no clue where this crying about refs comes from. Imho this was one of the tournaments least impacted by refs that I can remember. Was watching it on ServusTV and they didnt, mostly were focused on the touch between Kane and the defender.Well it was not much (if there was even a touch) but isn't hand ball of the attacker always a freekick for the defender side, no matter how much intention the touch was? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18084 Posts
The penalty kick yesterday was a bad call by VAR. But over the rest of the half England deserved the goal. Fair is fair. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On July 11 2024 15:41 gTank wrote: Was watching it on ServusTV and they didnt, mostly were focused on the touch between Kane and the defender.Well it was not much (if there was even a touch) but isn't hand ball of the attacker always a freekick for the defender side, no matter how much intention the touch was? Yeah handball for the attacker is always handball, no matter the intent. I think the chance distribution was fairly even. England was better in first half, Netherlands better in second. Clinical finish by Watkins though, at the perfect time. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25849 Posts
On July 11 2024 15:41 gTank wrote: Was watching it on ServusTV and they didnt, mostly were focused on the touch between Kane and the defender.Well it was not much (if there was even a touch) but isn't hand ball of the attacker always a freekick for the defender side, no matter how much intention the touch was? IIRC if the ball bounces off a part of the body you’re legally allowed to use onto your hand, is not intentional and it’s not you directly scoring the goal it’s fine. That may be bullshit, I’m pulling from memory here, and a hazy one It seems unnecessarily complex, and a bit out of line with how it’s judged if it’s a defending player. I’m with Acro in that I think the actual refereeing has been mostly fine, the actual laws are causing some issues, plus that’s exacerbated by VAR. England’s pen was kinda silly IMO, although I’ve heard it said it’s for endangering the player with a reckless follow-through. So Kane getting the shot off isn’t entirely relevant in this case. Again I’m off a night shift and a big podcast binge so my recollection may be incorrect! I think in such a case a foul should be allowed to be given, but not a penalty. Book Denz for his challenge but giving a penalty for a foul after a shot is mental This isn’t that uncommon I mean I’ve probably seen hundreds of fouls given where the attacking player knocks it past a defender, too hard so that even Usain Bolt couldn’t actually reach the ball before it goes out of play. Slightly different but same principle I suppose. People don’t tend to have an issue with those kind of scenarios, indeed most times I bring up allowing for a foul to be given but not a penalty in those it’s pretty damn unpopular! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25849 Posts
On July 11 2024 15:05 sharkie wrote: This Euro has some of the worst refereeing ever imo Were you watching football at the time of the 2002 World Cup? On July 11 2024 15:36 mahrgell wrote: That angle was shown multiple times yesterday before they even considered the other foul due to one Dutch defender complaining. And when they showed it at a constant speed it looked like absoletely nothing. But when you switch between speeds you can make any such situation look bad. This was certainly way less of an hand ball than the Cucurella situation. And no clue where this crying about refs comes from. Imho this was one of the tournaments least impacted by refs that I can remember. Jaysus I thought us Brits were bad for moaning about refs! I’d say it’s been mostly adequate overall, not perfection by any means but mostly alright enough not to really impact my enjoyment of the Euros so far. B- grade from WombaT Cucarella being booed was poor form too from those fans, come on like. It’s not an Henry scenario where he actively cheated and got away with it. Also I mean at least on here and other places I frequent there was pretty consistent criticism of harsh handball penalties, for my money (and most refs I’ve heard) that wasn’t a penalty anyway, but I got a sense of people wanting the scales evened for bad calls, or at least harsh ones by making another harsh one. As an unrelated aside if memory serves Zidane shouldn’t have got the red card in the 2006 final. The refereeing team all missed it apparently, and were told after the fact so it was effectively VAR before VAR | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25849 Posts
On July 11 2024 16:00 Twisted wrote: Yeah handball for the attacker is always handball, no matter the intent. I think the chance distribution was fairly even. England was better in first half, Netherlands better in second. Clinical finish by Watkins though, at the perfect time. Now you mention it I’m struggling to think of many knockout games where chance distribution wasn’t even, but yeah this was another one of those. As good as Spain were against France for example I mean their goals came from two moments of individual brilliance rather than carving the French open with much frequency. Agreed that the Netherlands probably shaded the second half, albeit only in a 55-45 kind of way, whereas the first was maybe 65-35 in England’s favour. I actually wonder if that would have continued for longer if Depay didn’t get injured and Koeman wasn’t forced to rejig things. Although I haven’t been following the Dutch massively closely I do think Koeman has been quite ruthless with changes so maybe he would have done it at half time anyway. On balance and bias aside I do think England’s play merited the win, although despite said bias I do think that penalty was BS | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6972 Posts
Give that corner and it's Netherlands having the ball and a chance instead of Engerland and no goal from Watkins as a direct consequence. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25849 Posts
On July 11 2024 16:50 Harris1st wrote: For the penalty I'm leaning towards no but I can entirely understand why it was given. Other than that, the only critical situation was just before the end where VvD gets booked for complaining that it was a corner for Netherlands when in fact it was a corner for Netherlands. But the ref/ linesman didn't see it. Give that corner and it's Netherlands having the ball and a chance instead of Engerland and no goal from Watkins as a direct consequence. I mean I guess that depends on how polite Virgil was in complaining about that call! One change I have actually liked this tournament has been only captains chatting to the refs. There’s less mobbing and dissent in general, that’s definitely a rule change I’d keep moving forwards, here and in other tournaments | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
On July 11 2024 16:56 WombaT wrote: I mean I guess that depends on how polite Virgil was in complaining about that call! One change I have actually liked this tournament has been only captains chatting to the refs. There’s less mobbing and dissent in general, that’s definitely a rule change I’d keep moving forwards, here and in other tournaments Yeah the captains only rule is great, they should change this to all other leagues/tournaments too. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6972 Posts
On July 11 2024 16:56 WombaT wrote: I mean I guess that depends on how polite Virgil was in complaining about that call! One change I have actually liked this tournament has been only captains chatting to the refs. There’s less mobbing and dissent in general, that’s definitely a rule change I’d keep moving forwards, here and in other tournaments The deciding thing wasn't the booking of VvD but the wrong call on the corner. The following attack was leading directly to the goal of Watkins if I'm remembering correctly EDIT: Just rewatched it. I was wrong. This situation was a few minutes before the goal | ||
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Bacillus
Finland1973 Posts
I wish there was a 10 minute crash course into ruleset and interpretations in every tournament. They could go through some of the changing interpretations and adjustments and explain how they should get called this particular tournament. That creates clear responsibilities for refs to enforce the rules and teams to play by them. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6972 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25849 Posts
On July 11 2024 17:19 Harris1st wrote: On to how Nunez was bareknuckle fighting Columbian fans. The Copa never disappoints COMEBOL on the other hand frequently do. Why move the tournament to be in the same window as the Euros ffs? There’s one number 10 dominating this tournament and for once it’s not Lionel Messi, James Rodriguez has been bossing it and seems a lock to add a Copa MVP to his World Cup I’m an absolute sucker for that kind of player, they’re a borderline endangered species these days. And Columbia have two of them with Quintero! Shame he went to Real, but hey it’s Real Madrid so I can’t blame the lad. I think a player like him has to play at a (slightly) lower level and be the absolute main man. Think Juan Roman Riquelme carrying bloody Villarreal to almost a Champions League final. Ya love to see it | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28695 Posts
England was overall the better team in this match. England really dominated the first half and easily could have had more goals, Netherlands was slightly better but hardly produced any big chances in the second half. Here's opta with a graphic breakdown! ![[image loading]](https://theanalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/ned-v-eng-momentum-1536x967.jpeg) | ||
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Harris1st
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