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On July 02 2021 04:00 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 00:52 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 00:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What?!
Just what PSG need another big Ego. Maybe he's the ego to rule over all the other egos. I could definitely see this working over a span of 3 years if Ramos was a bit younger. Now it feels like they're constantly running on a tight schedule to success though, not much permanence to be had with a leader that's likely to retire in 2 years. Then again, who knows. They want the UCL and in knockout system there's always a chance that Ramos will score you the game winner.
Or get a stupid red card...
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 02 2021 02:30 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2021 06:02 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 05:11 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 04:55 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 02:29 Kotreb wrote:
For those wondering why people don't support England as much, this may be one of the reasons
Typical english fans... They prolly have only football in their life, in a country without a decent social welfare, the foot is like the games during the roman empire, a good way to divert their frustration. What ? Are you serious i hope to god you are not. Of course I am, that's what sport is to begin with, the phenomen is pretty obvious in England, it makes people pretty ugly, add to this a bit of stupid chauvinism and you got something violent but really entertaining and diverting. You're a big english football fan so you don't want to see it that's all but the "banters" between football fans really show it is way more than just a "game" but a way to redirect ppl agressivity. So our social welfare system and football fans booing national anthems and a few social media posts are all linked as one? 60 million people summed up by less than 100,000 people at most..... Show nested quote +On July 01 2021 07:29 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2021 02:47 Pandemona wrote:Ah yes, lets link social media posst and generalize a mass population, oh how i love the internet these days..... OTOH c'mon, English fans are not exactly known to be nice. They are a menace everywhere they go and they forced the government to pass some fotball laws... and it's not like football attracts highly intelligent connoisseur of Plato either. Ok and on this logic everyone in Czech Republic is racist for not taking the knee and being supportive of a player who was aggressively racist in an Europa league match vs Rangers?
If not giving a knee makes us racist then we are. It's a stupid politics filled gesture we aren't suppoorting here. Our team tried that once and they didn't like the result.
Also AFAIK there's no evidence of that racism. So yes, we will support him because judging somebody based on "he said it" from a person who then isn't exactly politicaly corrrect himself is pathetic.
Also where's the apology for almost killing the goalkeeper? No dignity in that either... Oh, sorry, didn't realize that I was talking about islands where you have guys like Lineker.
So, I believe I covered it all.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 02 2021 06:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 02:30 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 06:02 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 05:11 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 04:55 stilt wrote:Typical english fans... They prolly have only football in their life, in a country without a decent social welfare, the foot is like the games during the roman empire, a good way to divert their frustration. What ? Are you serious i hope to god you are not. Of course I am, that's what sport is to begin with, the phenomen is pretty obvious in England, it makes people pretty ugly, add to this a bit of stupid chauvinism and you got something violent but really entertaining and diverting. You're a big english football fan so you don't want to see it that's all but the "banters" between football fans really show it is way more than just a "game" but a way to redirect ppl agressivity. So our social welfare system and football fans booing national anthems and a few social media posts are all linked as one? 60 million people summed up by less than 100,000 people at most..... On July 01 2021 07:29 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2021 02:47 Pandemona wrote:Ah yes, lets link social media posst and generalize a mass population, oh how i love the internet these days..... OTOH c'mon, English fans are not exactly known to be nice. They are a menace everywhere they go and they forced the government to pass some fotball laws... and it's not like football attracts highly intelligent connoisseur of Plato either. Ok and on this logic everyone in Czech Republic is racist for not taking the knee and being supportive of a player who was aggressively racist in an Europa league match vs Rangers? If not giving a knee makes us racist then we are. It's a stupid politics filled gesture we aren't suppoorting here. Our team tried that once and they didn't like it. Also AFAIK there's no evidence of that racism. So yes, we will support him because judging somebody based on "he said it" from a person who then isn't exactly politicaly corrrect himself is pathetic. Also where's the apology for almost killing the goalkeeper? No dignity in that either... Oh, sorry, didn't realize that I was talking about islands where you have guys like Lineker. So, I believe I covered it all.
There you go.....you are doing exactly what i am doing to the 59.9 million England fans that are not doing anything wrong but im "still wrong" yet when you defend your players and teams its "fine" ? I mean come on....
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 02 2021 06:33 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 06:31 deacon.frost wrote:On July 02 2021 02:30 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 06:02 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 05:11 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 04:55 stilt wrote:Typical english fans... They prolly have only football in their life, in a country without a decent social welfare, the foot is like the games during the roman empire, a good way to divert their frustration. What ? Are you serious i hope to god you are not. Of course I am, that's what sport is to begin with, the phenomen is pretty obvious in England, it makes people pretty ugly, add to this a bit of stupid chauvinism and you got something violent but really entertaining and diverting. You're a big english football fan so you don't want to see it that's all but the "banters" between football fans really show it is way more than just a "game" but a way to redirect ppl agressivity. So our social welfare system and football fans booing national anthems and a few social media posts are all linked as one? 60 million people summed up by less than 100,000 people at most..... On July 01 2021 07:29 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2021 02:47 Pandemona wrote:Ah yes, lets link social media posst and generalize a mass population, oh how i love the internet these days..... OTOH c'mon, English fans are not exactly known to be nice. They are a menace everywhere they go and they forced the government to pass some fotball laws... and it's not like football attracts highly intelligent connoisseur of Plato either. Ok and on this logic everyone in Czech Republic is racist for not taking the knee and being supportive of a player who was aggressively racist in an Europa league match vs Rangers? If not giving a knee makes us racist then we are. It's a stupid politics filled gesture we aren't suppoorting here. Our team tried that once and they didn't like it. Also AFAIK there's no evidence of that racism. So yes, we will support him because judging somebody based on "he said it" from a person who then isn't exactly politicaly corrrect himself is pathetic. Also where's the apology for almost killing the goalkeeper? No dignity in that either... Oh, sorry, didn't realize that I was talking about islands where you have guys like Lineker. So, I believe I covered it all. There you go.....you are doing exactly what i am doing to the 59.9 million England fans that are not doing anything wrong but im "still wrong" yet when you defend your players and teams its "fine" ? I mean come on....
Well, I just pointed out that English fans aren't exactly wellcome wholeheartly because they have certain history. And it hit the right spot, as I see.
ALso you don't realize that by the sensitive west we're here actually racists, so, uh, yeah. And we can admit it. Still wouldn't recommend the topic in here as the reaction wouldn't be exactly nice considering we really don't like when people from the west tell us what to do. So, Czechs can admit it, can English fans admit they have their bad reputation for reasons, or will they go with "we're innocent"?
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On July 02 2021 06:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 06:33 Pandemona wrote:On July 02 2021 06:31 deacon.frost wrote:On July 02 2021 02:30 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 06:02 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 05:11 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 04:55 stilt wrote:Typical english fans... They prolly have only football in their life, in a country without a decent social welfare, the foot is like the games during the roman empire, a good way to divert their frustration. What ? Are you serious i hope to god you are not. Of course I am, that's what sport is to begin with, the phenomen is pretty obvious in England, it makes people pretty ugly, add to this a bit of stupid chauvinism and you got something violent but really entertaining and diverting. You're a big english football fan so you don't want to see it that's all but the "banters" between football fans really show it is way more than just a "game" but a way to redirect ppl agressivity. So our social welfare system and football fans booing national anthems and a few social media posts are all linked as one? 60 million people summed up by less than 100,000 people at most..... On July 01 2021 07:29 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2021 02:47 Pandemona wrote:Ah yes, lets link social media posst and generalize a mass population, oh how i love the internet these days..... OTOH c'mon, English fans are not exactly known to be nice. They are a menace everywhere they go and they forced the government to pass some fotball laws... and it's not like football attracts highly intelligent connoisseur of Plato either. Ok and on this logic everyone in Czech Republic is racist for not taking the knee and being supportive of a player who was aggressively racist in an Europa league match vs Rangers? If not giving a knee makes us racist then we are. It's a stupid politics filled gesture we aren't suppoorting here. Our team tried that once and they didn't like it. Also AFAIK there's no evidence of that racism. So yes, we will support him because judging somebody based on "he said it" from a person who then isn't exactly politicaly corrrect himself is pathetic. Also where's the apology for almost killing the goalkeeper? No dignity in that either... Oh, sorry, didn't realize that I was talking about islands where you have guys like Lineker. So, I believe I covered it all. There you go.....you are doing exactly what i am doing to the 59.9 million England fans that are not doing anything wrong but im "still wrong" yet when you defend your players and teams its "fine" ? I mean come on.... Well, I just pointed out that English fans aren't exactly wellcome wholeheartly because they have certain history. And it hit the right spot, as I see. ALso you don't realize that by the sensitive west we're here actually racists, so, uh, yeah. And we can admit it. Still wouldn't recommend the topic in here as the reaction wouldn't be exactly nice considering we really don't like when people from the west tell us what to do. So, Czechs can admit it, can English fans admit they have their bad reputation for reasons, or will they go with "we're innocent"?
Well clearly we're not going to admit being generally terrible. Maybe if we would there would be some hope for us, but alas! The English are beyond helping.
But you have to ask yourself, if we didn't know deep down how terrible we are, would we have just separated ourselves from the rest of Europe in a fit of self-conscious misdirected anger?
I actually have a soft spot for the Czechs, having just spent 60 hours playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance. It somehow makes me feel connected to your country that i have never been to or met anyone from.
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Netherlands6273 Posts
On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017
I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player.
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On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player.
So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them.
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On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player.
There's also the fact that an official Barça shirt with Messi on it costs € 90, whereas a knockoff costs 10 and looks almost identical. They're for sale all over Barcelona, so I'd assume they are also for sale everywhere else people are crazy for Messi football shirts. Of those € 90 I'm sure a large part goes to the club, but of the € 10, nothing does. How many of the Barça shirts you see on the streets in Argentina are official ones? And how many buy a new one every one or two years, rather than just sticking with their seasons old design which is only marginally different?
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On July 02 2021 14:13 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player. So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them.
It's something like
Materials 2 €
Transport 3 €
Advertisment 2 €
Profit manufacturer 5 €
Profit club 58 €
Selling Price 70 €
Scratch that. Found a source: https://www.goal.com/en/news/how-much-money-do-football-clubs-make-from-shirt-sales/gv14e9wc0vny1vtyr0rxqqan5
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
So after the next match our national team will get 14k km traveled this EURO. How are your boys?  England don't have to join with their London - Rome - London.
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On July 02 2021 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:So after the next match our national team will get 14k km traveled this EURO. How are your boys? England don't have to join with their London - Rome - London.
The only positive thing about Worlds next year! Katar is quite small
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Three home matches for Denmark, then Amsterdam and now heading to Baku. In every way a strange choice of host. Unless you know how corrupt UEFA is. Think that the travel arrangement. Can understand that some countries are unhappy with the schedule, also the resting days seem bit strange, Denmark played Saturday, but play tomorrow. But Spain and Switzerland played Monday but play today.
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On July 02 2021 17:33 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 14:13 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player. So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them. It's something like Materials 2 €
Transport 3 €
Advertisment 2 €
Profit manufacturer 5 €
Profit club 58 €
Selling Price 70 € Scratch that. Found a source: https://www.goal.com/en/news/how-much-money-do-football-clubs-make-from-shirt-sales/gv14e9wc0vny1vtyr0rxqqan5
Still 7,5 - 20% and properly the higher margin for the top clubs with superstars.
Also one thing is jersey, then all the other merchandise the stars help sell. Even the money clubs get for going to warm up matches all over the world. Sponsors deal in general.
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On July 02 2021 18:15 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 17:33 Harris1st wrote:On July 02 2021 14:13 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player. So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them. It's something like Materials 2 €
Transport 3 €
Advertisment 2 €
Profit manufacturer 5 €
Profit club 58 €
Selling Price 70 € Scratch that. Found a source: https://www.goal.com/en/news/how-much-money-do-football-clubs-make-from-shirt-sales/gv14e9wc0vny1vtyr0rxqqan5 Still 7,5 - 20% and properly the higher margin for the top clubs with superstars. Also one thing is jersey, then all the other merchandise the stars help sell. Even the money clubs get for going to warm up matches all over the world. Sponsors deal in general.
Plus the licensing fee that, say, Nike pays to the club for the rights to produce their jerseys. That fee goes up when a player like Messi is on the team.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 02 2021 17:59 Sapaio wrote:
Three home matches for Denmark, then Amsterdam and now heading to Baku. In every way a strange choice of host. Unless you know how corrupt UEFA is. Think that the travel arrangement. Can understand that some countries are unhappy with the schedule, also the resting days seem bit strange, Denmark played Saturday, but play tomorrow. But Spain and Switzerland played Monday but play today.
Yeah, Baku. The arena for 70k people. Wonder how many will really come and what the atmosphere will be.
Edit> We have it roughly 3k km, Danes even more. it is unfortunate.
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Oh wonderful, the referee for the England - Ukraine is the one from the Belgium - Portugal game. Let's see what goes unpunished this time.
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Bayern München ultras do not like UEFA
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Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On July 02 2021 14:13 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player. So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them.
You don’t need to know the margins really. For Messi to be worth it financially he’d have to shift a hell of a lot of shirts, shirts that people wouldn’t otherwise be buying.
I think this was a flaw in Perez’s numbers when Real signed Beckham in the first Galactico era. Sure Beckham did boost them, but if he hadn’t of signed many would still be getting Real Madrid shirts, just with Raul or Figo or Zidane or Ronaldo on them.
I think Messi has been probably worth it for Barcelona specifically though. But that’s because he’s kept Barcelona at the top level of European football for two decades now and the Barca brand has got a big boost from being there. Also Messi having such a tie with Barcelona and them being the long-term home of Messi etc.
Basically anyone who can sign Messi is already going to likely be a top, top European side already, and will signing Messi give them all that much of a boost? Plus you don’t have Messi as a symbol of your club in quite the way Barca do.
It could still end up being worth it, but I’d say more in the field of sporting glory. If City want to push the boat out and think Messi is the missing piece to winning the Champions League, for example, then they’ll do that for that reason.
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On July 02 2021 19:18 Oukka wrote:
Oh wonderful, the referee for the England - Ukraine is the one from the Belgium - Portugal game. Let's see what goes unpunished this time.
In the last Euro we played vs England - a clear goal by Ukraine was disallowed  But I expect something better from the German ref
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