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Northern Ireland26287 Posts
On July 02 2021 06:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 06:33 Pandemona wrote:On July 02 2021 06:31 deacon.frost wrote:On July 02 2021 02:30 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 06:02 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 05:11 Pandemona wrote:On July 01 2021 04:55 stilt wrote:On July 01 2021 02:29 Kotreb wrote:
For those wondering why people don't support England as much, this may be one of the reasons
Typical english fans... They prolly have only football in their life, in a country without a decent social welfare, the foot is like the games during the roman empire, a good way to divert their frustration. What ? Are you serious i hope to god you are not. Of course I am, that's what sport is to begin with, the phenomen is pretty obvious in England, it makes people pretty ugly, add to this a bit of stupid chauvinism and you got something violent but really entertaining and diverting. You're a big english football fan so you don't want to see it that's all but the "banters" between football fans really show it is way more than just a "game" but a way to redirect ppl agressivity. So our social welfare system and football fans booing national anthems and a few social media posts are all linked as one? 60 million people summed up by less than 100,000 people at most..... On July 01 2021 07:29 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2021 02:47 Pandemona wrote:Ah yes, lets link social media posst and generalize a mass population, oh how i love the internet these days..... OTOH c'mon, English fans are not exactly known to be nice. They are a menace everywhere they go and they forced the government to pass some fotball laws... and it's not like football attracts highly intelligent connoisseur of Plato either. Ok and on this logic everyone in Czech Republic is racist for not taking the knee and being supportive of a player who was aggressively racist in an Europa league match vs Rangers? If not giving a knee makes us racist then we are. It's a stupid politics filled gesture we aren't suppoorting here. Our team tried that once and they didn't like it. Also AFAIK there's no evidence of that racism. So yes, we will support him because judging somebody based on "he said it" from a person who then isn't exactly politicaly corrrect himself is pathetic. Also where's the apology for almost killing the goalkeeper? No dignity in that either... Oh, sorry, didn't realize that I was talking about islands where you have guys like Lineker. So, I believe I covered it all. There you go.....you are doing exactly what i am doing to the 59.9 million England fans that are not doing anything wrong but im "still wrong" yet when you defend your players and teams its "fine" ? I mean come on.... Well, I just pointed out that English fans aren't exactly wellcome wholeheartly because they have certain history. And it hit the right spot, as I see. ALso you don't realize that by the sensitive west we're here actually racists, so, uh, yeah. And we can admit it. Still wouldn't recommend the topic in here as the reaction wouldn't be exactly nice considering we really don't like when people from the west tell us what to do. So, Czechs can admit it, can English fans admit they have their bad reputation for reasons, or will they go with "we're innocent"?
What is getting hyper-defensive to criticism if it’s not being sensitive?
It’s profoundly disappointing really. The rhetoric from Eastern countries in Europe used to be more in the vein that ‘hey we’re trying, don’t lecture us when your own house isn’t in order’ which I was pretty sympathetic to as it struck me as broadly true.
Now the rhetoric is more ‘let us be racist/homophobic in peace’, in broad brush strokes.
And yes it’s ridiculous to be talking about say, homophobia given who is hosting the next World Cup, 100%. Doesn’t mean we can’t push to do better as a wider society in the interim.
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On July 02 2021 18:15 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 17:33 Harris1st wrote:On July 02 2021 14:13 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player. So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them. It's something like Materials 2 €
Transport 3 €
Advertisment 2 €
Profit manufacturer 5 €
Profit club 58 €
Selling Price 70 € Scratch that. Found a source: https://www.goal.com/en/news/how-much-money-do-football-clubs-make-from-shirt-sales/gv14e9wc0vny1vtyr0rxqqan5 Still 7,5 - 20% and properly the higher margin for the top clubs with superstars. Also one thing is jersey, then all the other merchandise the stars help sell. Even the money clubs get for going to warm up matches all over the world. Sponsors deal in general.
Total revenue for Barca was around 800 million in 2020. Messi would have to bring in about 1/8th of their revenue to bring in more than his cost. And this leaves out the fact that about half of income is from TV rights and matchday revenue which won't be affected that much if Messi leaves.
If star players were worth that much we'd have seen a serious collapse of revenue for Real Madrid after Ronaldo (who is arguably more marketable than Messi) left yet that didn't happen. In fact there are stories that Juventus wants to get rid of him due to his wages and he 'only' earns about 30 million.
In addition we should've seen other clubs making much larger wage offers than he gets from Barcelona if he was worth that much since he's a free agent and they'd make it back anyway. Yet there are only two clubs who are rumoured to be interested (PSG and City) and they're the two clubs who have unlimited money.
Messi is important for Barcelona and a great asset but he's not worth 100m+ in wages. Barcelona was a big club before him and it'll be a big one after him.
https://www2.deloitte.com/bg/en/pages/finance/articles/football-money-league-2021.html
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Northern Ireland26287 Posts
On July 02 2021 17:59 Sapaio wrote:
Three home matches for Denmark, then Amsterdam and now heading to Baku. In every way a strange choice of host. Unless you know how corrupt UEFA is. Think that the travel arrangement. Can understand that some countries are unhappy with the schedule, also the resting days seem bit strange, Denmark played Saturday, but play tomorrow. But Spain and Switzerland played Monday but play today.
I’ll bash UEFA until the cows come home, and some of the travelling arrangements have ended up very wonky. Granted we’ve seen this in recent World Cups too (despite being one country, obviously the travel across Brazil or Russia involves huge distances).
On the other hand we do have governments across Europe having different travel restrictions to other countries across Europe and this makes it incredibly difficult to move host venues around.
England have benefitted hugely from the current schedule, but partly because Dublin pulled out as a venue to take one example I’m familiar with.
On the other hand, this cool idea of a pan-European Euros, why would you try to execute that now of all times? Perhaps renegotiating contracts etc prohibited a big change.
I’m unsure which country could manage to solo host under current conditions, but I’d assume just having all the teams in the same country and bubble would have been easier to execute, plus evened out some of the huge disparities in travel that have clearly affected the performance of some sides.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player.
Ehm, I don't know the math, but you should stop at Barca while they have Messi. Because it's not just the shirts. For example there's this place at Camp Nou where you can get a photo with fake Messi(not sure if it's a statue or paper Messi, maybe fully digital now). It's not exactly cheap(50 Euros IIRC). This is just one example of how you can monetize the stars you have.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 02 2021 21:29 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 17:59 Sapaio wrote:
Three home matches for Denmark, then Amsterdam and now heading to Baku. In every way a strange choice of host. Unless you know how corrupt UEFA is. Think that the travel arrangement. Can understand that some countries are unhappy with the schedule, also the resting days seem bit strange, Denmark played Saturday, but play tomorrow. But Spain and Switzerland played Monday but play today. I’ll bash UEFA until the cows come home, and some of the travelling arrangements have ended up very wonky. Granted we’ve seen this in recent World Cups too (despite being one country, obviously the travel across Brazil or Russia involves huge distances). On the other hand we do have governments across Europe having different travel restrictions to other countries across Europe and this makes it incredibly difficult to move host venues around. England have benefitted hugely from the current schedule, but partly because Dublin pulled out as a venue to take one example I’m familiar with. On the other hand, this cool idea of a pan-European Euros, why would you try to execute that now of all times? Perhaps renegotiating contracts etc prohibited a big change. I’m unsure which country could manage to solo host under current conditions, but I’d assume just having all the teams in the same country and bubble would have been easier to execute, plus evened out some of the huge disparities in travel that have clearly affected the performance of some sides.
It's not a cool idea, it's a dumb idea especially if you're flying to Baku which is in Asia. Sure, Azerbaijan is considered to be on the border of Asia and Europe, but Baku is considered to be in Asia. How would you like the idea if one of the next hosts of this paneuropean idea would be on the eastern coast of Russia? After the whole annoying COVID season we give players to travel 14k kms! YISS, that';s the spirit. Imagine there are players who have the fear of flying and you send them to Asia. For a EURO match. (14k is the complete travelled distance of the Czech national team once they return from Baku here)
Edit> I cannot wait how England accidentally wins and everybody will say they won because they have travelled the least  Or they won't and everybody will be laughing at them that they didn't win with the clear home advantage and the least travelled distance Should be fun either way.
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I like the idea of having the games spread out around Europe. My objection about Baku was not the distance, but more they choose a country without any real football history or recent results, that is run by a mafia like clan according to the CIA, a country with miserable human rights, and that just happened to have a major company that sponsor UEFA. The distance just make everybody see the absurdity in it.
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Northern Ireland26287 Posts
I don’t see why it’s a terrible idea, Baku itself is a terrible venue for all the reasons outlined and from what I’ve heard isn’t even a great stadium in terms of atmosphere etc.
Given the expansion of the Euros, the numbers of countries who can solo host is diminished quite considerably, so having this pan-European model includes lots of countries that are unlikely to host and be part of the party.
Trying to execute it during a pandemic is the silly part, but I think it’s fundamentally a pretty good model.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
It's a terrible idea because some will be flying around and some will be playing home. Some will travel almost nothing while others will die from the fatigue pof travelling alone. It doesn't keep the situation equal. Look at the example. our national team will have travelled 14 000 kilometres totally once theyreturn from Baku. That's jut this EURO. While some have travelled laughable amounts - e.g. England. That's not fair conditions in my book.
Platini is idiot.
TO be fair not even him would predict COVID so I wouldn't blame him for this and there aren't many countries who can host this big tournament instantly.
Edit> I am open to the idea if you can guarantee at least semi-equal conditions. Everybody will have to travel, everybody can play a home match if they have qualifying arena, if they don't then they have a guaranteed match close to their borders.
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Northern Ireland26287 Posts
I’m not sure how relevant distances even are, outside of the extreme and silly inclusion of somewhere like Baku. Most of your time travelling by plane is travelling to the airport, getting boarded etc, going through customs but once that’s done, if we’re talking much of Europe when you’re in the sky it’s a few hours difference depending where you’re going.
Up to a point anyway. Baku being a host is silly for, many reasons.
Given current conditions on the grounds, difficulties between travel restrictions between various nations differing etc this decent idea is basically unworkable.
Just having it all in say, England which has more than enough suitable stadiums to solo host would have been the option I would have gone for, personally.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Yeah, but that expects England wanting to host the whole tournament  I can see Germany hosting it. I can see England hosting. I can see France hosting it. I can see Russia hosting it. But the question is if they would want to  It's not exactly cheap.
All I'm saying is that the current conditions are not equal. Some have home matches, some don't. Some travel across Europe, some don't.
Even without covid it wouldn't be under equal conditions. That's my point and that's why I didn't mention any COVID shenanigans into it.
It's similar to the always online SC2 situation. You see foreigners v Koreans. Foreigner plays at 11 pm, Korean plays at 6 am.
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On July 02 2021 22:21 deacon.frost wrote:Yeah, but that expects England wanting to host the whole tournament I can see Germany hosting it. I can see England hosting. I can see France hosting it. I can see Russia hosting it. But the question is if they would want to It's not exactly cheap. All I'm saying is that the current conditions are not equal. Some have home matches, some don't. Some travel across Europe, some don't. Even without covid it wouldn't be under equal conditions. That's my point and that's why I didn't mention any COVID shenanigans into it.
I can follow you. Would like this sort of tournament again, maybe if you cluster countries closer to together. Like UK the Nordics and some eastern European countries and so on.
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Belgium has been very secretive about the status of KDB and E. Hazard. Understandably so, no need to give Italy more information than necessary.
The last rumour that reached us just now is that Hazard won't play, but KDB will play with an injection. "If the game was yesterday, he would not have been ready".
Again these are just rumours but if it's true that's just stupid. My prediction is that in the first half one of the Italians "accidentally" hits KDB's ankle and he goes off with an injury that's even worse lol. Just let the man rest.
If Italy plays like they did vs Austria then we have this in the bag easy, but I believe they will be on high alert this time.
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When they showed the line ups in danish TV, there was yellow markings card thought they where deleted in this round?
Another own goal
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Nah pretty sure Meunier missed the semis v France due to 2 yellows, it’s only at the semis they reset so no one misses the grand finals due to it.
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Embolo off injured. Looks like hamstring. He's probably done for the tournament even if Switzerland get through
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Own Goal continuing their quest for the golden boot.
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For Spain's sake I hope that they don't go into defender mode and keep the ball possession up. It worked out nicely first half, same against Croatia.
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On July 02 2021 21:28 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2021 18:15 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 17:33 Harris1st wrote:On July 02 2021 14:13 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 14:00 RvB wrote:On July 02 2021 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:On July 02 2021 03:14 Sapaio wrote:On July 02 2021 02:17 WombaT wrote:On July 02 2021 01:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And PSG wants Ronaldo, or Pogba as well. When does the financial fair play rule come into play? If they can’t afford it via those rules I guess? They do have a lot of eye-catching players on insane salaries but their wider squad, not so much. And I think we’ve seen it cost them at the business end of the Champions League Whereas say Man City have a full stacked squad with no superstars to quite that degree. The thing about superstars is that they generate income, it's like Barca needs to sign Messi to insane contract because they will loss more in earnings without him. So it's not like it's all cost when you sign a player. Yep, exactly right. Whenever I go to a mall in Texas, I see at least two dozen different people wearing Messi jerseys, oftentimes more if it's a busier time. Every other football jersey I see is either for Liga MX or the extremely rare Real Madrid. Messi is the sport's biggest star and I wouldn't be surprised if he brought Barcelona well over €500m since Messi signed that mammoth contract in 2017 I doubt that. Most of the gains from the shirt sales go to the manufacturer. I don't see how a club can ever earn back 500 million in 4 years from one player. So you know the profit margins of shirt sales, let's hear them. It's something like Materials 2 €
Transport 3 €
Advertisment 2 €
Profit manufacturer 5 €
Profit club 58 €
Selling Price 70 € Scratch that. Found a source: https://www.goal.com/en/news/how-much-money-do-football-clubs-make-from-shirt-sales/gv14e9wc0vny1vtyr0rxqqan5 Still 7,5 - 20% and properly the higher margin for the top clubs with superstars. Also one thing is jersey, then all the other merchandise the stars help sell. Even the money clubs get for going to warm up matches all over the world. Sponsors deal in general. Total revenue for Barca was around 800 million in 2020. Messi would have to bring in about 1/8th of their revenue to bring in more than his cost. And this leaves out the fact that about half of income is from TV rights and matchday revenue which won't be affected that much if Messi leaves. If star players were worth that much we'd have seen a serious collapse of revenue for Real Madrid after Ronaldo (who is arguably more marketable than Messi) left yet that didn't happen. In fact there are stories that Juventus wants to get rid of him due to his wages and he 'only' earns about 30 million. In addition we should've seen other clubs making much larger wage offers than he gets from Barcelona if he was worth that much since he's a free agent and they'd make it back anyway. Yet there are only two clubs who are rumoured to be interested (PSG and City) and they're the two clubs who have unlimited money. Messi is important for Barcelona and a great asset but he's not worth 100m+ in wages. Barcelona was a big club before him and it'll be a big one after him. https://www2.deloitte.com/bg/en/pages/finance/articles/football-money-league-2021.html
Thank y'all for enlightening me!
I would love to see Xhaka win but he's not even on the roster so I'm sad
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In UEFA News:
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London will allow 60k spectators for the upcoming games, no masks required anymore, cuz fuck Delta
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The rainbow storyline has some new events, so in full:
- Neuer used a rainbow captaincy band
- UEFA started an in investigation
- UEFA said its all okay
- Munich wanted to light up the stadium in rainbow colors
- UEFA forbid it
- UEFA colored its own logo with the rainbow
- sponsors started to show the rainbow as background of their perimeter ads
- UEFA said this is great and welcomed it
NEW: UEFA forbid the rainbow perimeter ads in Baku and St. Petersburg, but allowed them in the other stadiums
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 03 2021 01:58 mahrgell wrote:
In UEFA News:
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London will allow 60k spectators for the upcoming games, no masks required anymore, cuz fuck Delta
2)
The rainbow storyline has some new events, so in full:
- Neuer used a rainbow captaincy band
- UEFA started an in investigation
- UEFA said its all okay
- Munich wanted to light up the stadium in rainbow colors
- UEFA forbid it
- UEFA colored its own logo with the rainbow
- sponsors started to show the rainbow as background of their perimeter ads
- UEFA said this is great and welcomed it
NEW: UEFA forbid the rainbow perimeter ads in Baku and St. Petersburg, but allowed them in the other stadiums
But they told me human rights are not political, so why not in Baku and St. Petersburg, I wonder? oO
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