EPTHe's much better than oj mayo who's on the same deal. Not great value but fair value imo.
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RowdierBob
Australia13292 Posts
He's much better than oj mayo who's on the same deal. Not great value but fair value imo. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
On July 04 2014 01:28 andrewlt wrote: The Gortat deal might not actually be bad. Wearing down is a combination of age and minutes played. He's only at 11500 total (regular season and playoffs). Old Man Timmy has 52500 minutes played. He didn't spend his time laying on the couch, he played 4-5 seasons in Europe starting at 18 and it's not a fair comparison anyway. People are different and the best ones to judge are his coaching team. His "famous" .gif is funny, but JaVale anyone? Considering other Big-Man, the deal is quite fair imho. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2014 08:08 RowdierBob wrote: I like the Avery deal. He's a little underratef. Great defender and if he can hit threes at 40% he will be a very useful piece. He's much better than oj mayo who's on the same deal. Not great value but fair value imo. He's a great defender on certain types, but unfortunately the Atlantic division is full of the types of guards that he's weak against. He shoots well from 3, but he doesn't take enough of them and only 25% of his shots are 3, whereas 42% are midrange jumpers. He can still grow into something, but it's always been easier to improve on defense than offense. It'd be in line with the Meeks deal (he's definitely worth more as a great defender) if it weren't an extra year, and he was better about staying behind the arc. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 04 2014 07:36 Doraemon wrote: SGs gettng paid $8m / yr for avery? wtf??? makes the thabo deal look good When you consider SG is probably the thinnest position in the league it makes sense. On July 03 2014 23:49 zev318 wrote: cept when you're lance, if he hadnt done all that shit last year, i think for sure he would have signed by now. but i havent heard anyone else trying to sign the guy even tho hes a UFA, meanwhile hayward is gonna get a max from someone and perhaps cost 2 1st rounders. and i dont really think hayward is a much better player than lance (16m v 8m?), its just he comes with WAY less baggage and is a team player. so no i dont think his craziness is overblown at all. But look at Kyle Lowry. Dude has had way worse attitude issues in the past- arguing with coaches, showing up out of shape, etc., and no one is saying that the Raps just overpaid him. He did have a good year last season but that was a contract year, what if he starts phoning it in, or stops getting along with Casey, etc.? Those types of issues is way worse than childishly taunting your opponent, people just blew it way out of proportion because it was the playoffs and he was doing it against Lebron. I'd take blowing in someone's ear over showing up fat and arguing with your organization any day. By all other reports Lance tries hard, cares about winning, and was basically the Pacer's offense for the back half of the season. And he's popped up in rumors for other teams, but I think he's in the tier of players where teams are waiting to see where the miami big 3+Melo end up, then the teams that don't get them go to your Gasol/Stephensons as their 2nd choice. I think he's gonna get paid by a Dallas/NYK/LAL/CHI for sure, they're just leaving their cap space open for now. I think the Avery deal is fine. He's not quite worth that much money on current talent alone but he's young and should continue to improve. Plus with Boston in a rebuilding state it's ok to spend a little more on potential. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
Who knows though, if he becomes a liability/always hurt, he's a useful salary offset piece, just like Ben Gordon is with his new deal. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 04 2014 12:06 DystopiaX wrote: When you consider SG is probably the thinnest position in the league it makes sense. But look at Kyle Lowry. Dude has had way worse attitude issues in the past- arguing with coaches, showing up out of shape, etc., and no one is saying that the Raps just overpaid him. He did have a good year last season but that was a contract year, what if he starts phoning it in, or stops getting along with Casey, etc.? Those types of issues is way worse than childishly taunting your opponent, people just blew it way out of proportion because it was the playoffs and he was doing it against Lebron. I'd take blowing in someone's ear over showing up fat and arguing with your organization any day. By all other reports Lance tries hard, cares about winning, and was basically the Pacer's offense for the back half of the season. And he's popped up in rumors for other teams, but I think he's in the tier of players where teams are waiting to see where the miami big 3+Melo end up, then the teams that don't get them go to your Gasol/Stephensons as their 2nd choice. I think he's gonna get paid by a Dallas/NYK/LAL/CHI for sure, they're just leaving their cap space open for now. I think the Avery deal is fine. He's not quite worth that much money on current talent alone but he's young and should continue to improve. Plus with Boston in a rebuilding state it's ok to spend a little more on potential. i think people just look at it like not getting along with org or showing up not in shape as something that they can control and fix or can trade away easily (less of a risk), where as lance's antics is looked upon as well what if he randomly blows up? (more of a risk), and harder to get rid of. not saying that's 100% the whole reason why he's not getting his money, but i think that is part of it. i still think IND would have offered him much higher and got him to sign if not for concerns like that. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On July 04 2014 12:33 DystopiaX wrote: I guess, I just think Lowry's past antics is much more potentially damaging to a team than Lance's. well at least lowry has owned up to his past mistakes and his run in with all his past coaches, he seems genuinely matured. whereas lance is still...lance | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 05 2014 06:33 geokilla wrote: IN MASAI WE TRUST! WE GOT LOWRY BACK! WE GOT PATTERSON BACK! WE GOT RID OF NOVAK! toronto still blows. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
But they're in the east so they have a good chance of making the conference semis. Hawes to Clips 4yr/23mil not bad. They needed a decent backup big and that's a pretty good price for him. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 05 2014 10:14 DystopiaX wrote: But they're in the east so they have a good chance of making the conference semis. Hawes to Clips 4yr/23mil not bad. They needed a decent backup big and that's a pretty good price for him. It's a bomb deal. Basically the MLE for a skilled big. | ||
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seiferoth10
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2014 12:23 AgentW wrote: Another point with the Avery deal (and others, as well as some new wave NFL contracts): the cap's going to go up, so if you can take a chance on a guy for what seems like too much now, it might be a downright steal with that extra year. At least they didn't give him a fifth, though would've been lunacy. Who knows though, if he becomes a liability/always hurt, he's a useful salary offset piece, just like Ben Gordon is with his new deal. Pistons fans have been using this with the Meeks deal, and i think it's poor rationalizing. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13292 Posts
On July 05 2014 12:22 seiferoth10 wrote: Didn't we say the same thing last year about Byron Mullens? They have the rich man's Byron Mullens now. Just what the Clips needed--another big to hang out at the three point line and not play D. That should really fix their bench issues. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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