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Whatever.
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry, I'll try not to shatter your fantasy land narrative again. Just keep telling yourself that it just Lebron's pure skill and Spoelstra's intellect that won. It had nothing to do with having 3 max players and 2 guys playing for well below market value. That's clearly comparable to the Spurs roster.
And my argument isn't that I don't like how it was assembled. My argument is that it should not EXIST. The standard for fairness is can other teams do the same thing and the answer is a resounding no. They circumvented market constraints, especially in the cases of Battier and Allen, to create that team.
Once you win that's it, right? Nobody cares how it came about. Just like nobody remembers how the refs jobbed the Kings or that the Celtics were the only team with hot water. I think that's where Washington got the idea. Just ram it through and nobody will remember later on. You definitely win that argument.
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With every post you are digging a deeper hole Jerubaal. I might have seen your point at the start...
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What's the thing about the Celtics being the only team with hot water? When?
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On December 10 2013 15:14 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 12:06 RowdierBob wrote:
Lee has become what Rudy was to the Grizz. That's taking it WAY too far.
They're a better team without Lee. Classic addition by subtraction.
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On December 10 2013 14:23 DystopiaX wrote:
Then thesillyliterally no meadon't h to them at all. I'm ok with abolishing them, it's not like they serve any real purpose at all.
The only positive I've heard about them is the scheduling reasons minimise travel.
I dont have a problem so much with divisions but just change the silly seeding rules.
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On December 10 2013 16:41 Zorkmid wrote:
What's the thing about the Celtics being the only team with hot water? When?
That was hyperbole, but my point is that not all championships are equal and that includes earlier eras where many teams practiced and played in piss poor conditions. When Simmons said he "didn't count" the Spurs' first championship because it was in a lockout season, I thought "Don't worry Bill, I don't count all those Celtics championships where only a handful of teams had decent facilities".
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On December 10 2013 16:55 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:23 DystopiaX wrote:
Then thesillyliterally no meadon't h to them at all. I'm ok with abolishing them, it's not like they serve any real purpose at all. The only positive I've heard about them is the scheduling reasons minimise travel. I dont have a problem so much with divisions but just change the silly seeding rules.
That's conferences though, not divisions. You play everyone in the conference 4 times. You play everyone in your division 4 times. There's no difference.
I agree conferences should still be a thing, if only because teams like Portland would die if they had to play everyone the same amount of times.
On December 10 2013 16:13 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:23 DystopiaX wrote:
Then there's literally no meaning to them at all. I'm ok with abolishing them, it's not like they serve any real purpose at all. I like east coast vs west coast rivalry in all-star games =D But yeah, I like divisions in a sport say like baseball because there are actual rivalries between teams in the divisions. In basketball hardly any meaningful rivalries are within divisions.
Divisions, not conferences. Still East and west, just no Atlantic, Central, Pacific, etc. division.
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On December 10 2013 16:03 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
With every post you are digging a deeper hole Jerubaal. I might have seen your point at the start...
Well whatever hole I'm digging must be working, because I'm getting less and less substance from your camp each time.
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how did we go from the heat having the most highly evolved offense (which they do) to other teams not being able to replicate miami (which is probably true too)
so what Miami has 3 superstars that probably colluded to get together, they still have the best offensive sets in the league, on par if not superior to the spurs. that's not only attributed to the players but also great coaching.
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Spoelstra is the greatest coach in the league
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On December 10 2013 17:25 AppleSauce123 wrote:
Spoelstra is the greatest coach in the league
Did you get a name change Aerisky?
I'm done with this echo chamber.
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On December 10 2013 17:30 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:25 AppleSauce123 wrote:
Spoelstra is the greatest coach in the league Did you get a name change Aerisky? I'm done with this echo chamber.
On December 09 2013 15:07 Jerubaal wrote:
I just shook my head at Grantland proclaiming Miami "the most highly evolved offense'.
you still haven't explained why they don't have the most highly evolved offense. all you did was go on a diatribe about how spol isn't great, he's unproven, he's so lucky he got 3 big stars.
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lol Spo is the best coach because he is pinoy
/argument
btw, will the OP be updated?
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On December 10 2013 12:45 DystopiaX wrote:
Well I could see McLemore at least being a pretty good spot-up guy but Gay/Thomas/Cousins all need the ball in their hands to be effective at all.
I'm not sure how much Gay needs the ball in his hands, tbh. He's actually completely untested as a #2 option. The second he got in the league, the Grizz had him taking a ton of shots and since his rookie year, he's never taken under 16 shots per game.
Kind of assume he's going to absorb most of Vasquez and Salmons's shots. If they can keep him taking 12-14 shots per game, he might fit in nicely. Maybe he won't agree with it, but we all know Boogie is the alpha-est of alpha dogs on that team. Gay going 3-12, while doing the rest of the stuff that Gay does well isn't too damaging to your team. 6-20 is, however. And it's possible that with less volume, his efficiency will go up. Plus having Thomas to give him opportunities (he's never had someone else to create opportunities for him before) and Boogie to distract defenders.
Still obviously not worth what they're paying him, but I think the trade could be beneficial for both teams. Not-trying-to-be-superstar Gay might impress us, or at least make us warm to him. And if he still keeps taking 19 shots per game, we'll get to witness the first ever murder during an NBA game.
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On December 10 2013 17:34 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:30 Jerubaal wrote:On December 10 2013 17:25 AppleSauce123 wrote:
Spoelstra is the greatest coach in the league Did you get a name change Aerisky? I'm done with this echo chamber. Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 15:07 Jerubaal wrote:
I just shook my head at Grantland proclaiming Miami "the most highly evolved offense'. you still haven't explained why they don't have the most highly evolved offense. all you did was go on a diatribe about how spol isn't great, he's unproven, he's so lucky he got 3 big stars.
Because its just not that special. All it is, is playing to your players strengths. The only reason its "evolved" at all is because how horrendous Miami's offense was early on, because the big 3 were just doing ISO all the time, rather than playing as a team.
There is nothing that makes the Heat's offense more evolved than the Triangle offense or Princeton offense. Its not even that the offense is highly evolved, its the players that evolved and learn how to play with each other. They have great ball movement. As they should with one of the best play creators of all time in LBJ. Chris Bosh hitting elbow jumpers, Wade cutting to the basket, and Chalmers camping at the three point line while LBJ directs the offense isn't special. Its just basketball.
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Jerubaal the Spurs have had Manu, Tony and Duncan for below market value for consecutive contracts.
You sure you want to go down this hole and cry about fairness?
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On December 11 2013 00:43 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 12:45 DystopiaX wrote:
Well I could see McLemore at least being a pretty good spot-up guy but Gay/Thomas/Cousins all need the ball in their hands to be effective at all. I'm not sure how much Gay needs the ball in his hands, tbh. He's actually completely untested as a #2 option. The second he got in the league, the Grizz had him taking a ton of shots and since his rookie year, he's never taken under 16 shots per game. Kind of assume he's going to absorb most of Vasquez and Salmons's shots. If they can keep him taking 12-14 shots per game, he might fit in nicely. Maybe he won't agree with it, but we all know Boogie is the alpha-est of alpha dogs on that team. Gay going 3-12, while doing the rest of the stuff that Gay does well isn't too damaging to your team. 6-20 is, however. And it's possible that with less volume, his efficiency will go up. Plus having Thomas to give him opportunities (he's never had someone else to create opportunities for him before) and Boogie to distract defenders. Still obviously not worth what they're paying him, but I think the trade could be beneficial for both teams. Not-trying-to-be-superstar Gay might impress us, or at least make us warm to him. And if he still keeps taking 19 shots per game, we'll get to witness the first ever murder during an NBA game.
Like the Kings GM said, they have won 5 games so far this year (pre trade), so why not try this? As someone who lives in Sacramento, I'm intrigued by the trade and am kinda excited to see these guys play together. This is a very athletic team, could be very fun to watch in a good way, or very fun to watch in a BAAAAAAD way.
Maybe Boogie is crazy enough for Gay to back down a bit. Who was gonna tell Gay no in Toronto? Cousins is one of my favorite players to watch. If he ever gets his act together, the Kings will be a very good team. Watching him play in person on a night where he's focused is impressive. Fantastic rebounder.
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On December 11 2013 02:21 Ace wrote:
Jerubaal the Spurs have had Manu, Tony and Duncan for below market value for consecutive contracts.
You sure you want to go down this hole and cry about fairness?
I think he doesn't consider manu and tony elite players in their prime..
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