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Playing greedy and getting caught is the dumbest way to lose imo. People need to stop trying to win this game with workers, they're countered by literally everything.
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On December 01 2013 03:54 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 03:51 Fjodorov wrote:On December 01 2013 03:47 Markwerf wrote:
what a complete bullshit about this "abusing the bo3 format". Really that stuff doesn't matter at all, his opponents can see all his games when they are not playing.. What gives a fuck really if it's a bo3 vs MMA and then a bo3 vs innovation instead of just a bo5 vs one of them. He has to vary just as much and his opponents have enough information to go on.
He just plays well and his strategy decisions work out well, a combination of smart choices and a bit of luck but that's always the case in the buildorder game.
He also played some fine standard games, if opponents didn't respect his endgame they would definately not be doing stuff like CC first on a smallish 2p map.
I don't consider it a great player from what i've seen yet but just calling it 'bo3 cheesing' is rediculously unfair. Patience is playing very well, no doubt. But I think bo3 increases his chances as benefits him and his style. How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"? It benefits Protoss, not a style. There's a reason when Protoss was doing "bad" in major tournaments they had an almost 65% (? I can't remember if it was higher or not) winrate in PL.
Didn't the exact same thing happen prior in BW?
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Patience only series loss was 0-2 to TLO, just thought I'd put it here
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this downtime is sooo annoying T_T now i appreciate red bull battlegrounds even more.
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On December 01 2013 03:46 Zealously wrote:
Easy 3-0 for Life followed by a 4-1(3)
Did ya'll see my signs yet
nope, well, I haven't D:
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On December 01 2013 03:43 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:42 Tobblish wrote:On December 01 2013 03:41 Caladan wrote:
Why are people saying Patience is "tearing through"?
He's just abusing the bo3 format of the whole LB grid by doing all-ins and proxy gates. That was just LB finals, bo3, in 20 minutes.
Predicting his run will stop in the first BO5 he meets (now) and we will never again hear from this guy. That's just not how you become a S-class player. Stardust managed to at least win a Dreamhack. And Sora made to WCG Korean qualifier.
And Naama won DreamHack Winter
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On December 01 2013 03:53 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:45 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:43 boxerfred wrote:On December 01 2013 03:42 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:41 Caladan wrote:
Why are people saying Patience is "tearing through"?
He's just abusing the bo3 format of the whole LB grid by doing all-ins and proxy gates. That was just LB finals, bo3, in 20 minutes.
Predicting his run will stop in the first BO5 he meets (now) and we will never again hear from this guy. That's just not how you become a S-class player. So how come no one else was able to do this? Patience has incredible control and has the perfect responses against players When he played MMA on akilon, he had stellar stalker control against the hellions/marines in MMAs natural, which not many players can do That's the definition of "fluke". Play great once for whatever reasons and whichever way, then disappear into nothing. Captain Fluke already 'sniped' Roro. So why can't he play great in the future? Did i forget that you can see into the future or something? Haters gonna hate, Patience is playing fantastically Probably because we had players like that before. One of them finished last in his group at this Dreamhack. I think he is successful because other players treat him like an experienced pro gamer. Who would go for proxy gate on that map since most players open reaper expand there.. It is 2 player map and your opponent knows where you are so it is very risky to open cc 1st. Innovation was probably thinking he is mind gaming him by going for that build but Patience just flips a coin and does a build regardless of the map. I am not saying he has no talent at all because if he is really playing only for 1 year, even coming here is an achievement, but I think it is more realistic that he will fall off the radar like Stardust than become the next Dear.
How has Stardust fallen off the radar? Because he's finally got last place in 1 of his groups? Does this discount a progamer now?
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just got back, anyone got recap of inno vs patience games?
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On December 01 2013 03:55 Nirel wrote:
Patience only series loss was 0-2 to TLO, just thought I'd put it here
MMA beat him 2-1 in the winners bracket.
SPEAKING of which... where's my damn extended series???
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On December 01 2013 03:54 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 03:51 Fjodorov wrote:On December 01 2013 03:47 Markwerf wrote:
what a complete bullshit about this "abusing the bo3 format". Really that stuff doesn't matter at all, his opponents can see all his games when they are not playing.. What gives a fuck really if it's a bo3 vs MMA and then a bo3 vs innovation instead of just a bo5 vs one of them. He has to vary just as much and his opponents have enough information to go on.
He just plays well and his strategy decisions work out well, a combination of smart choices and a bit of luck but that's always the case in the buildorder game.
He also played some fine standard games, if opponents didn't respect his endgame they would definately not be doing stuff like CC first on a smallish 2p map.
I don't consider it a great player from what i've seen yet but just calling it 'bo3 cheesing' is rediculously unfair. Patience is playing very well, no doubt. But I think bo3 increases his chances as benefits him and his style. How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"? He can use his most gimmicky tactics? In a bo5/bo7 he would need to play some macro games too most likely or use the same tactics twice. It's a protoss thing.
I don't see how having to play macro games is a disadvantage. Gimmicky strategies are a huge advantage in longer series as well.
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On December 01 2013 03:47 whiterabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:46 opisska wrote:
This is a pretty good day of SC2. I woke at like 5 a.m. because my sleep schedule is messed up by jet lag and sickness, so I got to see a lot of IEM Singapore and then smoothly moved into DH. Looking at it, I have been watching SC2 for almost 15 hours straight now ... 15h only? Easy. That's like every day in my life.
But I am usually barely awake for 15 hours a day 
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Good call, make us know the new Korean so we can love him! :D
First time we'll actually have a new player taking down fan favorites that doesn't get only hate.
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On December 01 2013 03:56 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:53 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:45 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:43 boxerfred wrote:On December 01 2013 03:42 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:41 Caladan wrote:
Why are people saying Patience is "tearing through"?
He's just abusing the bo3 format of the whole LB grid by doing all-ins and proxy gates. That was just LB finals, bo3, in 20 minutes.
Predicting his run will stop in the first BO5 he meets (now) and we will never again hear from this guy. That's just not how you become a S-class player. So how come no one else was able to do this? Patience has incredible control and has the perfect responses against players When he played MMA on akilon, he had stellar stalker control against the hellions/marines in MMAs natural, which not many players can do That's the definition of "fluke". Play great once for whatever reasons and whichever way, then disappear into nothing. Captain Fluke already 'sniped' Roro. So why can't he play great in the future? Did i forget that you can see into the future or something? Haters gonna hate, Patience is playing fantastically Probably because we had players like that before. One of them finished last in his group at this Dreamhack. I think he is successful because other players treat him like an experienced pro gamer. Who would go for proxy gate on that map since most players open reaper expand there.. It is 2 player map and your opponent knows where you are so it is very risky to open cc 1st. Innovation was probably thinking he is mind gaming him by going for that build but Patience just flips a coin and does a build regardless of the map. I am not saying he has no talent at all because if he is really playing only for 1 year, even coming here is an achievement, but I think it is more realistic that he will fall off the radar like Stardust than become the next Dear. How has Stardust fallen off the radar? Because he's finally got last place in 1 of his groups? Does this discount a progamer now?
He never fell off my radar. But he couldn't because he was never on it to begin with.
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On December 01 2013 03:56 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:53 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:45 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:43 boxerfred wrote:On December 01 2013 03:42 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:41 Caladan wrote:
Why are people saying Patience is "tearing through"?
He's just abusing the bo3 format of the whole LB grid by doing all-ins and proxy gates. That was just LB finals, bo3, in 20 minutes.
Predicting his run will stop in the first BO5 he meets (now) and we will never again hear from this guy. That's just not how you become a S-class player. So how come no one else was able to do this? Patience has incredible control and has the perfect responses against players When he played MMA on akilon, he had stellar stalker control against the hellions/marines in MMAs natural, which not many players can do That's the definition of "fluke". Play great once for whatever reasons and whichever way, then disappear into nothing. Captain Fluke already 'sniped' Roro. So why can't he play great in the future? Did i forget that you can see into the future or something? Haters gonna hate, Patience is playing fantastically Probably because we had players like that before. One of them finished last in his group at this Dreamhack. I think he is successful because other players treat him like an experienced pro gamer. Who would go for proxy gate on that map since most players open reaper expand there.. It is 2 player map and your opponent knows where you are so it is very risky to open cc 1st. Innovation was probably thinking he is mind gaming him by going for that build but Patience just flips a coin and does a build regardless of the map. I am not saying he has no talent at all because if he is really playing only for 1 year, even coming here is an achievement, but I think it is more realistic that he will fall off the radar like Stardust than become the next Dear. How has Stardust fallen off the radar? Because he's finally got last place in 1 of his groups? Does this discount a progamer now?
Stardust = Cheesedust. He is not capable of winning macro games series.
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On December 01 2013 03:46 Psychobabas wrote:
Guy plays Starcraft 2 and Protoss for 1 year and beats Innovation with fake "mindgame" blink and proxy gate ... I dont even...
plays professionally
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Croatia5536 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:56 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:53 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:45 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:43 boxerfred wrote:On December 01 2013 03:42 Jer99 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:41 Caladan wrote:
Why are people saying Patience is "tearing through"?
He's just abusing the bo3 format of the whole LB grid by doing all-ins and proxy gates. That was just LB finals, bo3, in 20 minutes.
Predicting his run will stop in the first BO5 he meets (now) and we will never again hear from this guy. That's just not how you become a S-class player. So how come no one else was able to do this? Patience has incredible control and has the perfect responses against players When he played MMA on akilon, he had stellar stalker control against the hellions/marines in MMAs natural, which not many players can do That's the definition of "fluke". Play great once for whatever reasons and whichever way, then disappear into nothing. Captain Fluke already 'sniped' Roro. So why can't he play great in the future? Did i forget that you can see into the future or something? Haters gonna hate, Patience is playing fantastically Probably because we had players like that before. One of them finished last in his group at this Dreamhack. I think he is successful because other players treat him like an experienced pro gamer. Who would go for proxy gate on that map since most players open reaper expand there.. It is 2 player map and your opponent knows where you are so it is very risky to open cc 1st. Innovation was probably thinking he is mind gaming him by going for that build but Patience just flips a coin and does a build regardless of the map. I am not saying he has no talent at all because if he is really playing only for 1 year, even coming here is an achievement, but I think it is more realistic that he will fall off the radar like Stardust than become the next Dear. How has Stardust fallen off the radar? Because he's finally got last place in 1 of his groups? Does this discount a progamer now?
No but protoss players have an ability to go deep in tournaments with a wide variety of builds. Terran and zerg don't have that option. At least I don't remember any unknown terran or zerg who suddenly dominated stacked tournament like that.
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What was Incontrol just talking about.... What did it used to be called?
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On December 01 2013 03:55 Nirel wrote:
Patience only series loss was 0-2 to TLO, just thought I'd put it here
Since Life is a better verion of TLO and also has less flaws, Patience has no chance.
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patchtoss.
User was warned for this post
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Taeja in finals is already lame and boring. Now this Patience guy cheesing his way to the finals.
Im out for CSGO
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EPT
