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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
He just plays well and his strategy decisions work out well, a combination of smart choices and a bit of luck but that's always the case in the buildorder game. He also played some fine standard games, if opponents didn't respect his endgame they would definately not be doing stuff like CC first on a smallish 2p map. I don't consider it a great player from what i've seen yet but just calling it 'bo3 cheesing' is rediculously unfair. | ||
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xongnox
540 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:43 Vindicare605 wrote: I think that was a lot different. Life had a completely different playstyle from everything that Zergs were doing at the time. Patience just looks like another Protoss player. His build selection has been great don't get me wrong, but he isn't doing anything special that we haven't already seen from dozens of other Protoss players. Life, he looked special from the beginning. He dramatically altered the metagame in a way few could've expected and raised the bar on what was considered a "mechanically sound" Zerg. They aren't even remotely comparable. yeah.... pacthzergs wasn't 10pooling terra to get 0 kill, and proceeds to win a gling/muta macro-game. Everyone saw this kid was insane since beginning. Patience just got the most lucky run ever, like that happen to random protoss cheesers sometimes. Really nothing to compare. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:46 Fjodorov wrote: The funny/frustrating/unbealivable thing is that Taeja then comes and playes some of the sickest TvP and makes Terran look fucking imba once again. ALways one top terran making terran look broken at any given period ^^ I do believe you but I tried to recap those dominating terrans. Can you prove your point with Names + Reigntime? That would be so awesome :D | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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goody153
44309 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:45 JustPassingBy wrote: So, any suggestions what to do in this break? Apart from starting to drink because every damn player I have been cheering for loses!!! cheer for Fanatic please  just this one time .. they are against na'vi | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:39 ninjamyst wrote: sOs, now Patience...mind games, build order >>> mechanics, experience. it seems that new comers are able to do so well because 1) they have no pressure, no expectation 2) their opponents are unsure of their style, habits while they have access to tons of replays 3) they go for risky, "gimmicky" builds which are great for best of 3s OK comparing sOs's run at Blizzcon to this is just stupid, first of all sOs wasn't a newcomer, he's been around as a top Protoss since season1, and he ran through the top players all in bo5's. So it's not quite the same, and Patience is much more of a coinflip without the ability to transition out if it fails. But I agree with your fist point, no pressure and no expectations help, but just having enough confidence and calmness to compete at your best against the monsters of sc2 is pretty impressive. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:46 Psychobabas wrote: Guy plays Starcraft 2 and Protoss for 1 year and beats Innovation with fake "mindgame" blink and proxy gate ... I dont even... If he studied Innovation, proxy gating on a 2 player map is a relatively safe, calculated risk considering that Innovation seems to always 14cc after he fails a game. | ||
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DieterEilts
Germany283 Posts
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:47 stuchiu wrote: And that's why none of you get buffs. Cause of ppl like Taeja and Mvp. I blame Nestea for being a major part of it as well..disgusting... | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:48 Tobblish wrote: I blame Nestea for being a major part of it as well..disgusting... NESTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEE | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:48 Shikyo wrote: If he studied Innovation, proxy gating on a 2 player map is a relatively safe, calculated risk considering that Innovation seems to always 14cc after he fails a game. This sadly. So predictable. Plus it's not even that much of a liability if he happens to Reaper expand. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:47 xongnox wrote: yeah.... pacthzergs wasn't 10pooling terra to get 0 kill, and proceeds to win a gling/muta macro-game. Everyone saw this kid was insane since beginning. Patience just got the most lucky run ever, like that happen to random protoss cheesers sometimes. Really nothing to compare. Most lucky run ever? Yeah, have you seen who he's beat? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:43 YoloSwaggins wrote: not the same deal, innovation isn't famous for cc 1st-ing, he did it a few times and now he got cheesed blindly and lost, that's it. don't read too much into it. also it's not like a proxy gate can't be hidden well so that it's almost impossible to scout. it most certainly is. doesn't matter if your famous for it or not you have to know what to do if you get rushed down. Blindly because you try and take shortcuts? No, you better have a plan. not much to read into it because he didn't scout, he just doesn't know how to defend. Lots of players cannot defend such a thing like flash in BW. Come on you know what's in the protoss roster. YOU have to expect the proxies no matter what. whether it be cannon rush, stargate/oracle, proxy gate. They've been doing it long enough that you got to stop taking shortcuts. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:48 Shikyo wrote: Most lucky run ever? Yeah, have you seen who he's beat? That's the point of the "most lucky run" ever, you're lucky enough to beat whoever is pit with you. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:48 Shikyo wrote: If he studied Innovation, proxy gating on a 2 player map is a relatively safe, calculated risk considering that Innovation seems to always 14cc after he fails a game. Do you think the above would be possible if he played Zerg or Terran? | ||
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Ludwigvan
Germany2373 Posts
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Symbioth
Poland103 Posts
Not saying this to depreciate, though. He displayed a lot of skill in this tournament. For example, game 1 vs Innovation required great decision making backed up with solid macro and micro which he showed by deciding to abandon his blink all-in and succesfuly transitioning into a macro game. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:49 Psychobabas wrote: Do you think the above would be possible if he played Zerg or Terran? I do. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:49 Psychobabas wrote: Do you think the above would be possible if he played Zerg or Terran? 6pooling and proxy 2raxing is now impossible? | ||
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