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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
November 30 2013 19:03 GMT
#2181
On December 01 2013 04:03 75 wrote:
how were the innovation vs patience games?


You can go back 20 pages and see what they caused.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#2182
that x-ray vision ad is so stupid
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
November 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#2183
On December 01 2013 04:03 75 wrote:
how were the innovation vs patience games?


Fake Blink Stalkers, overreaction and 2gate vs CC first
The curse is real
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
November 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#2184
On December 01 2013 04:02 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Probably the right reaction to this is to abandond the build on the first sight of the Thor (while continuing to fake pressure) and then laugh about the two medivacs the terran misses for each Thor.


Mech doesn't need medivacs as much, and if you've got Thors...

Of course, then you have OTHER problems.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
November 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#2185
On December 01 2013 04:04 Schelim wrote:
that x-ray vision ad is so stupid

Quiet you non-believer.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
November 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#2186
On December 01 2013 04:03 75 wrote:
how were the innovation vs patience games?


mobius strip
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2187
On December 01 2013 04:04 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:04 Schelim wrote:
that x-ray vision ad is so stupid

Quiet you non-believer.


He just sees right through the marketing.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46541 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2188
Top 3: P, Z, T Nice.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2189
On December 01 2013 04:02 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Probably the right reaction to this is to abandond the build on the first sight of the Thor (while continuing to fake pressure) and then laugh about the two medivacs the terran misses for each Thor.

Sounds legit
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2190
On December 01 2013 04:03 Rinny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:
How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"?



Consider the following, there are two starcraft players X and Y, X is slightly better at starcraft and he wins 60% of the games he plays against Y leaving Y to win only 40% . It is entirely possible for Y to play a set number of games with X and win more than him, but if X and Y were to play a million games of starcraft the probability that Y would win more games than X is VERY close to 0 like .000000001% . However if they were to play a 3 games (as in a bo3) the probability that Y would win more games is like 32 percent.

Most of the time playing cheesy doesn't result in a win rate of >50% in starcraft II (the exception being in the early days when tournaments were dominated by 1 base scv pulls) because as the game gets figured out and some of those strategies are patched out they lose their effectiveness. But even without a >50% winrate it's totally possible to beat superior opponents.

TL;DR Lower amounts of games in a series mean it is more likely for inferior opponents to advance.

bbbbbut everything is cheese what protoss does?
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Zebb
Profile Joined March 2011
United States834 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2191
On December 01 2013 03:56 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:55 Nirel wrote:
Patience only series loss was 0-2 to TLO, just thought I'd put it here


MMA beat him 2-1 in the winners bracket.

SPEAKING of which... where's my damn extended series???


I'm waiting for Life to 4-3 Taeja in the final so Taeja gets second place in a double elim tournament for going 5-4 against one player
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2192
On December 01 2013 04:05 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:04 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:04 Schelim wrote:
that x-ray vision ad is so stupid

Quiet you non-believer.


He just sees right through the marketing.


Don't give them any more ideas for stupid commercials please..
The curse is real
rinnnedor321
Profile Joined August 2013
53 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2193
On December 01 2013 04:02 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Probably the right reaction to this is to abandond the build on the first sight of the Thor (while continuing to fake pressure) and then laugh about the two medivacs the terran misses for each Thor.


thors combat stats are not that bad at all. their DPS is worth the cost. spending 600/400 to be immune to blink, and being behind 4 medivacs, while having tons of DPS instead, isnt that bad considering you are allowed to do a standard bio build and essentially not have to worry about blink ever again

paying a 600/400 insurance policy to do bio while not worrying about bios stupidest counter (blink)

the plan is just do normal bio but then somehow get the thors in there when blink would normally screw around with you.

sacrifice the first 4 medivacs to be immune to blink. then get more medivacs after that. its a trade off sure but you wouldnt need to worry about blink
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
November 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2194
On December 01 2013 04:02 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:59 TheDwf wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!

What... I don't even...

lol i can't tell if that guy is being serious or not. anyways, if you wanna use a techlab factory against blink all-ins, make fucking siege tanks.


yeah if blizz actually decided to make siege tanks fucking worth it vs toss .. and if ever that happens then protoss players will now feel what terran players felt because of msc ..

this is a quote
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 19:08:46
November 30 2013 19:06 GMT
#2195
On December 01 2013 04:00 ottosec wrote:
Goddamn twitch. Anybody got the link to that Swedish site that usually streams DH?


download livestreamer here
https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases/tag/v1.7.0

download vlc
http://vlc-player.softm8.com/?gclid=CPuumPiZjbsCFSjpwgodpFQATQ

open command prompt
type this:

livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2 best
(must right click then paste, cant use control V)

enjoy lag free HD
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
November 30 2013 19:06 GMT
#2196
On December 01 2013 04:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Top 3: P, Z, T Nice.


and each of the three represent the best their race has to offer.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
November 30 2013 19:06 GMT
#2197
On December 01 2013 04:03 Rinny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:
How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"?



Consider the following, there are two starcraft players X and Y, X is slightly better at starcraft and he wins 60% of the games he plays against Y leaving Y to win only 40% . It is entirely possible for Y to play a set number of games with X and win more than him, but if X and Y were to play a million games of starcraft the probability that Y would win more games than X is VERY close to 0 like .000000001% . However if they were to play a 3 games (as in a bo3) the probability that Y would win more games is like 32 percent.

Most of the time playing cheesy doesn't result in a win rate of >50% in starcraft II (the exception being in the early days when tournaments were dominated by 1 base scv pulls) because as the game gets figured out and some of those strategies are patched out they lose their effectiveness. But even without a >50% winrate it's totally possible to beat superior opponents.

TL;DR Lower amounts of games in a series mean it is more likely for inferior opponents to advance.

Which benefits inferior players that is protoss. Is that what you mean ?
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
November 30 2013 19:06 GMT
#2198
On December 01 2013 04:03 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:03 75 wrote: how were the innovation vs patience games?
You can go back 20 pages and see what they caused.


On December 01 2013 04:04 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:03 75 wrote:
how were the innovation vs patience games?


Fake Blink Stalkers, overreaction and 2gate vs CC first

thanks
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 30 2013 19:07 GMT
#2199
On December 01 2013 04:05 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:04 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:04 Schelim wrote:
that x-ray vision ad is so stupid

Quiet you non-believer.


He just sees right through the marketing.

lmao. i don't even care so much for the scientific facts (or lack thereof), it's just such a stupid script it's almost impressive, even for an ad. i can haz x-ray visionz!!! *guys turn to girl with incredibly creepy looks on their faces* "ewwwww, you guys are groooss"

way to insult your target group by making them look stupid as fuck, both genders.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
November 30 2013 19:07 GMT
#2200
On December 01 2013 04:06 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:00 ottosec wrote:
Goddamn twitch. Anybody got the link to that Swedish site that usually streams DH?


download livestreamer here
https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases/tag/v1.7.0

download vlc
http://vlc-player.softm8.com/?gclid=CPuumPiZjbsCFSjpwgodpFQATQ

open command prompt
type this:

livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2 high
(must right click then paste, cant use control V)

enjoy lag free HD


High quality setting is shit, if you lag on Best/Source you should instead increase the filecaching to 10-20sec.
The curse is real
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