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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2221
is patience a gstl snipe-the-terrans-player?
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2222
Hahaha Patience
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2223
Patience also 2 - 0'd HyuN
Community News
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Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 19:13:40
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2224
it would be funny if Patience won Dreamhack, knowing that TLO won 2-0 against him lol
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2225
Incontrol trying his best to let Patience run away with it. Not biting. lol
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2226
Patience is a cool guy haha
Hello
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2227
3am fuck
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2228
On December 01 2013 04:13 lichter wrote:
3am fuck

Survive!
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Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2229
Who da funk is Patience?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2230
On December 01 2013 04:05 rinnnedor321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:02 opisska wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Probably the right reaction to this is to abandond the build on the first sight of the Thor (while continuing to fake pressure) and then laugh about the two medivacs the terran misses for each Thor.


thors combat stats are not that bad at all. their DPS is worth the cost. spending 600/400 to be immune to blink, and being behind 4 medivacs, while having tons of DPS instead, isnt that bad considering you are allowed to do a standard bio build and essentially not have to worry about blink ever again

paying a 600/400 insurance policy to do bio while not worrying about bios stupidest counter (blink)

the plan is just do normal bio but then somehow get the thors in there when blink would normally screw around with you.

sacrifice the first 4 medivacs to be immune to blink. then get more medivacs after that. its a trade off sure but you wouldnt need to worry about blink


4 huge issues

1) Thors are too slow. If you mix 2 Thors in your army, your army is now much less mobile.

2) upgrades, over time, your Thor just get weaker and weaker due to no upgrades.

3) getting your medivacs late means you can't drop until p has Templars. Not a good plan

4) it is common misconception that gateway units don't trade well vs bio. They don't trade we'll vs stimmed bio with medivac support. Therefore, no having medivac support is the early mid game means p can trade with their gateway units while they tech to AoE tech.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2231
On December 01 2013 04:12 75 wrote:
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On December 01 2013 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:06 samurai80 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:03 Rinny wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:
How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"?



Consider the following, there are two starcraft players X and Y, X is slightly better at starcraft and he wins 60% of the games he plays against Y leaving Y to win only 40% . It is entirely possible for Y to play a set number of games with X and win more than him, but if X and Y were to play a million games of starcraft the probability that Y would win more games than X is VERY close to 0 like .000000001% . However if they were to play a 3 games (as in a bo3) the probability that Y would win more games is like 32 percent.

Most of the time playing cheesy doesn't result in a win rate of >50% in starcraft II (the exception being in the early days when tournaments were dominated by 1 base scv pulls) because as the game gets figured out and some of those strategies are patched out they lose their effectiveness. But even without a >50% winrate it's totally possible to beat superior opponents.

TL;DR Lower amounts of games in a series mean it is more likely for inferior opponents to advance.

Which benefits inferior players that is protoss. Is that what you mean ?


More like it benefits the player with more opening options. Protoss have much more builds that just straight up kill you if caught by surprise.

why is having more builds better in bo3 than ,lets say, bo7

This too... Anyway...
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2232
On December 01 2013 04:14 Snijjer wrote:
Who da funk is Patience?


clauf bonjwa
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 19:14:58
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2233
On December 01 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:06 samurai80 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:03 Rinny wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:
How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"?



Consider the following, there are two starcraft players X and Y, X is slightly better at starcraft and he wins 60% of the games he plays against Y leaving Y to win only 40% . It is entirely possible for Y to play a set number of games with X and win more than him, but if X and Y were to play a million games of starcraft the probability that Y would win more games than X is VERY close to 0 like .000000001% . However if they were to play a 3 games (as in a bo3) the probability that Y would win more games is like 32 percent.

Most of the time playing cheesy doesn't result in a win rate of >50% in starcraft II (the exception being in the early days when tournaments were dominated by 1 base scv pulls) because as the game gets figured out and some of those strategies are patched out they lose their effectiveness. But even without a >50% winrate it's totally possible to beat superior opponents.

TL;DR Lower amounts of games in a series mean it is more likely for inferior opponents to advance.

Which benefits inferior players that is protoss. Is that what you mean ?


More like it benefits the player with more opening options. Protoss have much more builds that just straight up kill you if caught by surprise.

Flying 4 medivacs full of units into a protoss's army benefits the protoss player.


And so is being able to open with:
Proxy oracles
Proxy gate
fast HT
Blink aggression
DTs
Robo with DTs
Robo collosus
2 base stalker collosus
Zealot ht all-in

Protoss just has more variety, but having said all that, none of that had to do with why Patience beat Innovation.
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rinnnedor321
Profile Joined August 2013
53 Posts
November 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2234
On December 01 2013 04:05 rinnnedor321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:02 opisska wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Probably the right reaction to this is to abandond the build on the first sight of the Thor (while continuing to fake pressure) and then laugh about the two medivacs the terran misses for each Thor.


thors combat stats are not that bad at all. their DPS is worth the cost. spending 600/400 to be immune to blink, and being behind 4 medivacs, while having tons of DPS instead, isnt that bad considering you are allowed to do a standard bio build and essentially not have to worry about blink ever again

paying a 600/400 insurance policy to do bio while not worrying about bios stupidest counter (blink)

the plan is just do normal bio but then somehow get the thors in there when blink would normally screw around with you.

sacrifice the first 4 medivacs to be immune to blink. then get more medivacs after that. its a trade off sure but you wouldnt need to worry about blink



or you could even think about it like this


you could do what innovation did and scout blink and put yourself 1000 minerals behind building a bunch of bunkers and pulling 6+ SCV's for a while thinking u need to repair and stuff


or spend 600/400 just putting 2 thors worth of combat units into your bio build normally. you are behind 4 medivacs but the thors really arent that bad per cost they deal insane DPS. then you are allowed to do bio without worrying about blink (dont even need to be scouting for it). then just drop the thors or something when your at 180food and they deal decent DPS when used in drops
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2235
ZEALOUSLY WHAT DOES YOUR SIGN SAY?
Hello
Bellygareth
Profile Joined October 2010
France512 Posts
November 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2236
These veterans getting too confident and crushed. Patience for Dreamhack winner.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2237
lol life will get crushed by taeja if he makes it there, taeja played way better yesterday no idea why he "should have won there"
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
November 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2238
I am crying here.
TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
November 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2239
C'mon Life, crush this Protoss scum!!
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2240
HAHAHAHA LIFE
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
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