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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.
TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.
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On October 23 2011 06:17 Marke wrote:
WOOOOW GJ blizzard. Lets take 1 hour break and not stream 80% of the matches in a 18 players tournament...
This is worse then MLG...
MLG sorted it out and got their shit together
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On October 23 2011 06:15 Ryuu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:10 Darth Caedus wrote:On October 23 2011 06:09 Ryuu2 wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 Darth Caedus wrote:
I understood them not showing a bunch of the matches yesterday... but how could they not show the match that determines top 3 and who the last person is to get knocked out before the money.... da fuck?
they didn't show the winners semis yesterday... and you understand that? o.O Did I just get hate for not hating on Blizz hard enough? hate? where did i hate on you :D? did the o.O smily seem evil? no, i just don't see you point... i cant see any reason to skip nani vs nestea and mvp vs select (the winners semis) ..
No one gets eliminated by those games, the importance rises the later the tourney goes and in the lower bracket (I feel). But anyway... we really agree, we both want to see more games!
Silly blizzard, I want replays somewhere... =P
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On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:45 ThisGS wrote:On October 23 2011 05:42 meowmeow- wrote:
So since Nestea has won Blizzcon and MVP didn't win GSL Oct., can you call them being evenly good again? nestea won blizzcon? you from the future, sir? Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series. Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1.
what kind of jibberish is this? excluding psychological factors, the probability of any player winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption.
immvp has to win two coinflips to win the series, while nestea has to win one.
thus, bo5 is easier than two bo3.
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wait. let me get this fuckin straight. sen and naniwa are playing now, and we dont get to see the games why?
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haha, that is quite entertaining.
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Why are the semis and finals for both brackets Bo3 if they aren't streaming every match?
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On October 23 2011 06:18 Kokujin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:45 ThisGS wrote:
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nestea won blizzcon? you from the future, sir? Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series. Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1. what kind of jibberish is this? the probability of any player winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption. immvp has to win two coinflips to win the series, while nestea has to win one. thus, bo5 is easier than two bo3.
To ad hominim here, you're an idiot.
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On October 23 2011 06:18 Kokujin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:45 ThisGS wrote:
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nestea won blizzcon? you from the future, sir? Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series. Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1. what kind of jibberish is this? the probability of any player winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption. immvp has to win two coinflips to win the series, while nestea has to win one. thus, bo5 is easier than two bo3.
you can't say it's 50% if they're equally skilled. There's so many other factors that stop it being 50%
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On October 23 2011 06:19 da_head wrote:
wait. let me get this fuckin straight. sen and naniwa are playing now, and we dont get to see the games why?
Because game is over Sen won 2-1, and yes it wasn't shown, just to clarify things :D
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On October 23 2011 06:19 justinpal wrote:
Why are the semis and finals for both brackets Bo3 if they aren't streaming every match?
for the same reason they use this mappool.
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On October 23 2011 06:18 Kokujin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:45 ThisGS wrote:
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nestea won blizzcon? you from the future, sir? Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series. Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1. what kind of jibberish is this? excluding psychological factors, the probability of any player winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption. immvp has to win two coinflips to win the series, while nestea has to win one. thus, bo5 is easier than two bo3.
Funniest thing I've read all day. This is definitely how stats works, honest...
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Can anyone give a quick recap of MVP vs. Nestea? Why is MVP doing so badly. It must be his wrists or something.
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holy fuck, what is this? The schedule says 11:30 naniwa vs sen, i hop online to play 2 games, now it says 11:30 sen vs mvp?
the fuck....... Blizzard look like such amateurs next to standards MLG and IPL3 have set.
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On October 23 2011 06:19 da_head wrote:
wait. let me get this fuckin straight. sen and naniwa are playing now, and we dont get to see the games why?
You don't like trivia? 
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On October 23 2011 06:19 da_head wrote:
wait. let me get this fuckin straight. sen and naniwa are playing now, and we dont get to see the games why?
SEn and NaNi already played, SEn won 2-1. They did not show the game because of reasons previously listed, this is a Blizzard event, not a normal sc2 tournament. There, straightened.
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On October 23 2011 06:18 Darth Caedus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:15 Ryuu2 wrote:On October 23 2011 06:10 Darth Caedus wrote:On October 23 2011 06:09 Ryuu2 wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 Darth Caedus wrote:
I understood them not showing a bunch of the matches yesterday... but how could they not show the match that determines top 3 and who the last person is to get knocked out before the money.... da fuck?
they didn't show the winners semis yesterday... and you understand that? o.O Did I just get hate for not hating on Blizz hard enough? hate? where did i hate on you :D? did the o.O smily seem evil? no, i just don't see you point... i cant see any reason to skip nani vs nestea and mvp vs select (the winners semis) .. No one gets eliminated by those games, the importance rises the later the tourney goes and in the lower bracket (I feel). But anyway... we really agree, we both want to see more games! Silly blizzard, I want replays somewhere... =P
fair enough  eventhough its still not a good reason imo 
and yea, we do want to see games.. instead of these silly trivias >.<
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On October 23 2011 06:19 da_head wrote:
wait. let me get this fuckin straight. sen and naniwa are playing now, and we dont get to see the games why?
Come on, they can't show games and trivia at the same time, something has to take priority.
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On October 23 2011 06:18 Kokujin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:45 ThisGS wrote:
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nestea won blizzcon? you from the future, sir? Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series. Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1. what kind of jibberish is this? excluding psychological factors, the probability of any player winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption. immvp has to win two coinflips to win the series, while nestea has to win one. thus, bo5 is easier than two bo3.
Oh my God this is terrible. Please stop.
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On October 23 2011 06:18 Kokujin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:45 ThisGS wrote:
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nestea won blizzcon? you from the future, sir? Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series. Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1. winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption.
You don't have to make that assumption. I didn't. The math worked just fine.
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On October 23 2011 06:19 Leifish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:18 Kokujin wrote:On October 23 2011 06:12 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 06:08 Koshi wrote:On October 23 2011 06:07 TheBB wrote:On October 23 2011 05:54 redloser wrote:On October 23 2011 05:52 cyclone25 wrote:On October 23 2011 05:50 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On October 23 2011 05:48 ZAiNs wrote:On October 23 2011 05:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
[quote]Obviously Sen/Naniwa have 0% chance of beating Nestea in a series.
Naniwa and BratOK both took a game off him in group stage. Anyone can take a game but when it comes to a BO5/7 it's 0% chance for them. All games are bo3, the only exception is the overall final where the player coming from the lower bracket has to win 2x bo3. winning two consecutive Bo3's against Nestea would be harder than winning a single Bo5 I think :/ I ran the numbers. Two consecutive Bo3's are actually easier to win. Kidding me? Seriously? What numbers did you run? Herp derp. I switched my probabilities. Anyway: Let p be the probability of Nestea winning a given set. Then the probability of a challenger winning a best of three is (2p+1)(1-p)^2, and the probability of the challenger winning two in a row is (2p+1)^2(1-p)^4. The probability of the challenger winning a best of five, however, is (1+3p+6p^2)(1-p)^3. The ratio of the former to the latter is (2p+1)^2(1-p)/(1+3p+6p^2) = (1+3p-4p^3)/(1+3p+6p^2) < 1. what kind of jibberish is this? the probability of any player winning a set no matter bo3 or bo5 is 50% given each player is equally skilled, and in this case we have that assumption. immvp has to win two coinflips to win the series, while nestea has to win one. thus, bo5 is easier than two bo3. To ad hominim here, you're an idiot.
Exactly. I was channeling my inner cartman, like the fuck is this shit? o_0
That's like saying I have 50% chance to score a goal from 500 miles from goal. Either I score or I don't.
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