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On March 27 2011 04:08 SpiZe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:07 Durp wrote:
Go through ANY MVP game and find a reaper or marine getting probe surrounded.
That doesn't happen, ever. Those that say lag played no issue, to both or neither, is ridiculously uninformed.
Not to mention as a protoss player Terran obviously requires much more battle micro.
I loved Adelscott's play, but watching that game I would never, EVER take that style into a lagless game. I think lag played a huge role indeed, being beind by 3 upgrades is very hard to overcome when you have lag. Jesus people are always trying to make excuses. Adel has beaten MVP. Accept it.
MVP did not play well, but in spite of worse upgrades he almost held Adelscott's pushes in both games, and got the lead in game 2 from being behind. To say without lag MVP could've recovered from his mental mistakes and won 2-0 is not a far-fetched statement.
Fact of the matter is, the better player lost.
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On March 27 2011 04:07 Redmo wrote:
It's so obvious that he had to fight against lag! oO How would MVP loose a Marine and even a Reaper in the early game to probes?!?!?
Open your eyes people......
Better invite koreans to online tourmanets so we can pretend that foreigners are actually good...
One-sided ownage by koreans e.g. ST_Ace in offline tourmanents too embarasing to bear 
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On March 27 2011 04:09 Combine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:08 LittLeD wrote:On March 27 2011 04:00 bLuR wrote:
MYYYY BRAAAACKEETTTTTTT! Read in golum's voice Oh god, now I'm going to subconsciously read it in golums voice every time I see someone say it now.
MYYYY BRAAAACKEETTTTTTT! they wants us to lose they do they do NOOOOOO they would never wants us to lose, players loves us LIES they wants us to lose
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@Moonbear, thanks for the live updates during game 1, would appreciate if you would keep that up <3
My 3g internet can't handle the stream x(
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Mod warning about the lag would be nice , its the live report thread. If u like to discuss how the lag affects players on different realms , please feel free to open a new thread and discuss it. Sorry but in this thread the only thing im looking out for iS HYPE HYPE HYPE!
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On March 27 2011 04:09 munchmunch wrote:
The right way to think about lag is like surface type in tennis. Low latency play favours different actions from online play. The player who wins is the player who makes the right decisions, taking latency into account as one of many factors. Adelscott made the right decisions many times over.
Low latency is always advantageous..
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Hmm, the APM tab has been open for some time now, and Genius' has been rather constant.
If the lag was really as bad as people say, it wouldn't be.
Just sayin'
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I am loving the 1.3 patch spectator interface btw, loving the mineral supply count in the top right.
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On March 27 2011 04:08 enjoyx wrote:
I don't know why everyone's panties are in a bunch. These results are sooo disappointing. To see latency/lag/delay be the deciding factor of the matches is so wrong and devalues the TSL and any online international tournament.
15 expand vs MVP? That's clearly abusing the latency. If MVP could actually micro, that game would've been over right then and there with a quick 2rax kill. At least Adelscott had a clear understanding of how to abuse the delay, but for people to actually think this is some measure of skill... please.
LAN events like IEM with fair competition and no delay factors clearly show how much better koreans are.
Agree with this.
I highly doubt Adell going for 15 expand vs Mvp if this was the GSL/IEM or any other offline tourney.
I think Adell, awesomely, had a strategy counting in the latency.
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Wish everyone would stop blaming lag everytime a Korean loses.
Yes, it swings some (many?) games against them, but it doesn't look at all like they would completely roflstomp without latency.
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On March 27 2011 04:09 Muffel wrote:
its always the same on TL
if a korean loses it has to be HUGE lag and the korean had to play without a keyboard while listening to justin bieber
no but in this case you could literally see him having huge spikes all game long on both maps
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On March 27 2011 04:09 Redmo wrote:
obvious lag is obvious
they have to fix it or koreans stop play on tsl....
Who is "they"?
And what should the do?
Run new cables through the oceans?
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On March 27 2011 04:09 holy_war wrote:
For everyone complaining about lag, they played on the Korean server then the European server. So how is that unfair? Adel just outplayed MVP fair and square.
they pladed on NA
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On March 27 2011 04:09 Logo2010 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:05 ftd.rain wrote:
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here.
500+posts : Lag bi-winning.
0-100 posts : Adelscott so good omfg, he outplayed MVP so heavily!!
Exactly know little about sc - woo woo more knowledgeable - wtf?!
pretty insulting, were just not that bitter and trolled that bad yet
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On March 27 2011 04:07 Apollonius wrote:
To those QQing about lag:
1) MvP's unit combination was just not sufficient.
2) for some of game 2 and almost all of game 1, Adelscott was at a MACRO advantage
3) just because Adelscott is used to the lag from EU-NA does not mean that it is unfair for MvP: Adel just took time to play on lag settings for practice, and if MvP did the same, he would be fine too. I can't make a statement about comparing lag from EU>NA and KR>NA, though, but guys:
If a foreigner loses, you attribute it to Korean skill
If a foreigner wins, you attribute it to lag.
While this may or may not be the case, you are being a little bland in your judgment. So many other factors affect game strength, such as sleepiness, fatigue, focus, unit composition, etc. To give the foreigners no credit for a unique unit comp or thought process or to downplay the koreans for MAKING MISTAKES, as any human is prone to do, is simply unfair.
On March 26 2011 12:08 DdoRo wrote:
ok, I talked to both koreans and european players about the lag issue.
there is almost no lag for EU players playing on the NA server, but Koreans actually have alot more latency than it seems they have.
two days ago, I tried to play with my korean friend on the NA server for 2s.
he was complainin alot about lag, he's forcefield went down like 1.5sec after he actually put it down
Also, in oGsMC's interview for TSL, he mentioned he went for colossi+void ray just to 1a, because he couldn't micro vs Ciara. Also, boxer and his gf mentioned about lag.
On March 26 2011 12:22 FXOpen wrote:
Guys you are talking about delay in seconds.... Let me put it into perspective.
When I was in Korea, ping to NA was 310-410 ms.
Accordingly to someone close to me in korea, since the japan earthquake its now almost double that.
I dont know what the seconds delay or whatever would be... I guess it would depend. But i'd say it effects those micro based players.
Not taking anything away from Adelscott's win. He played amazing. But the quotes from Ddoro and FXOpen is definitely food for thought.
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im getting sick and tired of people continuously whining about lag, would you rather not have koreans play in online tourneys? sure there will be some lag, but if you want koreans playing in international events, then youve got to deal with it and stop trying to take away victories from foreigners who obviously have been practicing a lot for these matches..
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Adelscott built no High Templar, GG 2-0.
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Every one complaining about the lag and forgeting how amazing the decision making from adelscot were.
anyway, qxc looking nervous.
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On March 27 2011 04:09 Logo2010 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:05 ftd.rain wrote:
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here.
500+posts : Lag bi-winning.
0-100 posts : Adelscott so good omfg, he outplayed MVP so heavily!!
Exactly know little about sc - woo woo more knowledgeable - wtf?!
I wasn't aware lag removed your ability to make good decisions or upgrade units.
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On March 27 2011 04:02 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:00 Jinsho wrote:
Stop using lag as an excuse. They're both playing on US. KR->US lag is provably significantly worse than EU->US lag.
Aren't they playing on KR/EU/KR? I didn't catch the first game, but what's MVP's excuse for losing there? Technically lag should play into his favor, as two of the sets are in his advantage due to him being the higher seed.
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