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phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1981
WHY we see 8 minutes of the game the APM tab, seriously!
traca
Profile Joined October 2010
146 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1982
genius control is even worst than mvp lol
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1983
No idea if it was lag or horrible play by Genius but he is really far behind by loosing so many sentrys.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1984
A thing that some people are not realizing is that, the lag doesn't only delay your reactions/micro etc.

But it messes with your head as well, which may lead to making poor decisions/strategy. If someone is not used to playing with lag, then they are going to play badly strategy wise compared to normal, may it be from focusing on other things, or feeling at an unreal disadvantage all game.
ALL ABOARD THE INTERNET BANDWAGON
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1985
On March 27 2011 04:08 aoe2fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:05 ZXRP wrote:
To all complaining about the lag, remember it was the same for both players.


AdelScott probably play on the NA server alot for tournaments etc so he practises with it.
MVP only play on the Korean server with 0 lag.

How is that the same for both players?

Still the same condition for both player. Nothing is stopping MVP from playing on the NA server, so that's not sufice as an excuse
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1986
On March 27 2011 04:08 happyness wrote:

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On March 27 2011 04:01 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
This game is ridiculous. Seriously. Adelscott with the worst macro and wins.It's fucking ridiculous.


Uhhhhh, how is his macro bad? His money stays low and he gets ahead economically of Mvp......


having 2k minerals is considered good macro? ^^
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1987
On March 27 2011 04:11 Inflexion wrote:
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On March 27 2011 04:07 Apollonius wrote:
To those QQing about lag:

1) MvP's unit combination was just not sufficient.
2) for some of game 2 and almost all of game 1, Adelscott was at a MACRO advantage
3) just because Adelscott is used to the lag from EU-NA does not mean that it is unfair for MvP: Adel just took time to play on lag settings for practice, and if MvP did the same, he would be fine too. I can't make a statement about comparing lag from EU>NA and KR>NA, though, but guys:

If a foreigner loses, you attribute it to Korean skill
If a foreigner wins, you attribute it to lag.

While this may or may not be the case, you are being a little bland in your judgment. So many other factors affect game strength, such as sleepiness, fatigue, focus, unit composition, etc. To give the foreigners no credit for a unique unit comp or thought process or to downplay the koreans for MAKING MISTAKES, as any human is prone to do, is simply unfair.



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On March 26 2011 12:08 DdoRo wrote:
ok, I talked to both koreans and european players about the lag issue.
there is almost no lag for EU players playing on the NA server, but Koreans actually have alot more latency than it seems they have.

two days ago, I tried to play with my korean friend on the NA server for 2s.
he was complainin alot about lag, he's forcefield went down like 1.5sec after he actually put it down

Also, in oGsMC's interview for TSL, he mentioned he went for colossi+void ray just to 1a, because he couldn't micro vs Ciara. Also, boxer and his gf mentioned about lag.


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On March 26 2011 12:22 FXOpen wrote:
Guys you are talking about delay in seconds.... Let me put it into perspective.

When I was in Korea, ping to NA was 310-410 ms.

Accordingly to someone close to me in korea, since the japan earthquake its now almost double that.

I dont know what the seconds delay or whatever would be... I guess it would depend. But i'd say it effects those micro based players.

thanks for that compilation. to al those bitter people who had mvp winning the tsl Move On plz
dr Helvetica <3
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1988
CUE EX SEE, I BELIEVE!
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1989
On March 27 2011 04:10 12D3 wrote:
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On March 27 2011 04:05 Node wrote:
I love how many people's immediate reaction is to shit all over Adelscott's accomplishment. Why are you so offended that MVP lost?


Because we saw how lag affected MVPs play. He got crushed in a lot of battles because he could not micro properly, it looked like he held off on drops/multiple attacks because of the lag/lack of clean micro. He overstimmed more than a few times because of the lag. Adel played pretty good at some spots, but the times he was weak and should have lost he ended up pulling through due to these advantages.

How does little lag prevent you from droping your opponent ? It's not like he had a 3s delay ..
Rhokdar
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark240 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:12:53
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1990
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On March 27 2011 04:08 OskO wrote:
[image loading]
Well done Adelscott, I bet you've got some fine coaching.

I laughed hard when i noticed Cella hehe
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1991
Does anyone else feels that chill's voice is alittle after? Most notably on metalopolis "for me atleast" he shouted "wow more forcefields!!" 5-10 seconds to late.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
KlasKlatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden2 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1992
Adelscott's play made me so glad. Day9 liked his style for long hoping him to make it out well so I hope Sean is happy now. The armor upgrade so smart for tanking with zealots and he didnt even use good guardian shields to buff the taniking to insane lvls. His economy advantage saved him cause with good gaurdian shields up - he had raped that bio-ball.

Go zealot tanking!
Ulargg
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands33 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1993
I wonder if the people that claim that there is so much lag for koreans to NA have actually played there.

I play regularly from korea on us server. There is little to no lag.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1994
genius unit positioning was terrible
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1995
On March 27 2011 04:09 Jinsho wrote:
Guys, I think we have to stop the tournament... I just figured something out... we can't let this go on....

... some people have lag!!

Stop making up excuses for your favourite players. You're the lowest kind of fanboys if you do that. Be strict with your stars. Demand performance. Don't just lap their shit up.


You read my mind. Adel outplayed him.
According to the Korean fanboy logic, there's no point in even watching qxc versus Genius.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:13:44
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1996
On March 27 2011 04:11 OnlineHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:09 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:08 happyness wrote:

On March 27 2011 04:01 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
This game is ridiculous. Seriously. Adelscott with the worst macro and wins.It's fucking ridiculous.


Uhhhhh, how is his macro bad? His money stays low and he gets ahead economically of Mvp......

His money was regularly over 1k after the first major battles in both games.


It's hard to stay low 100% of the time when you are on 3-4 bases because you have to wait for the WG cooldown to finish. Those 40 seconds (?) without warpins will have an impact on his money. Just how it works.

That means he wasn't adding gateways appropriately, a symptom of poor macro. I'm not talking about the extreme lategame when he's on like 10-15 gateways, but rather when he's on 6gates off 2-3 bases.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1997
He could go mass zealots with upgrades... but that kind of advanced strategy may not be known to Koreans.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1998
On March 27 2011 04:12 WakaDoDo wrote:
CUE EX SEE, I BELIEVE!

amen
dr Helvetica <3
MarKoNiO
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Peru888 Posts
March 26 2011 19:12 GMT
#1999
Damn both streams are so lag for me, freezing every 5 seconds
- Hardcore gamer -
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
March 26 2011 19:13 GMT
#2000
Lost a bunch of senturies, not very good. That might hurt mid game.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
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