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Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2021
Everyone whining about the earthquake making the lag worse, which prob is bs anyways.

Weren't all tsl games played around the same time which I think would have been before the earthquake?
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2022
On March 27 2011 04:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:07 Kommander wrote:
If MVP lost because of lag, how come MC had an easy time against Ciara? If lag was a factor then MC surely would've lost. If I remember correctly, in game 2, MC still had impeccable force field placement despite the "lag" that people are complaining about.


Because Ciara played so terrible. He couldn't even hold off a 3gate expand pressure and MC rolled him.

Morrow and Dimaga in that position would've.


Well you're right, Ciara played terrible. Still, my point is that MC had no problem with his FFs despite the "lag" that people claim that handicapped MVP so badly.
mistax
Profile Joined March 2011
United States415 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2023
GSL World ChampionShip foreigner getting shit on.
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2024
Remember, guys: Ciara lost to MC due to skill, and BoxeR beat NightEnd due to skill.

But the other Koreans lost due to lag.

Some people can overcome it, some can't. The latter can be described as 'playing worse.'
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2025
On March 27 2011 04:04 Weasel- wrote:
Pretty sad that a significantly large fraction of posts in this thread are about the lag, just watch and comment on the fucking games please.


Manners, we are commenting the games: "MVP has 1 rine and 1 reaper while Adelscott has only probes, both die to probes." When did you last see probes catch reapers without lag?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2026
On March 27 2011 04:12 MarKoNiO wrote:
Damn both streams are so lag for me, freezing every 5 seconds

Dunno, maybe its your internet
0 lag for me
I have no quote!
kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2027
On March 27 2011 04:11 najreteip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:08 OskO wrote:
[image loading]
Well done Adelscott, I bet you've got some fine coaching.

Damn that is epic


Holy Check, I wonder if there is anyone Cella couldn't coach....

rG
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2028
On March 27 2011 04:12 LittLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:08 aoe2fan wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:05 ZXRP wrote:
To all complaining about the lag, remember it was the same for both players.


AdelScott probably play on the NA server alot for tournaments etc so he practises with it.
MVP only play on the Korean server with 0 lag.

How is that the same for both players?

Still the same condition for both player. Nothing is stopping MVP from playing on the NA server, so that's not sufice as an excuse

you misread that comment, it was actually saying
adel = MANLY CHEWING ON 1000MS DELAY FOR BREAKFAST
mvp = a macro oriented player who enjoys sc2, flowers and is actively promoting world peace
dr Helvetica <3
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2029
Dat backdoor drop is gonna do some sick damage.
SilentShout
Profile Joined March 2011
686 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2030
Genious left that probe there to spot for drops. Looks like somebody did their research! ^_^
gottypro
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation115 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2031
Feels good to see that narrow ramp on Taldarim. Its so huge on the ladder map.
hybridsc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States63 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2032
On March 27 2011 04:09 Logo2010 wrote:
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On March 27 2011 04:05 ftd.rain wrote:
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here.
500+posts : Lag bi-winning.
0-100 posts : Adelscott so good omfg, he outplayed MVP so heavily!!


Exactly

know little about sc - woo woo
more knowledgeable - wtf?!


this exactly. if you were actually impressed by adelscotts play.. ugh.

he basically just took corner-cutting expansions relying on the fact that MVP wouldn't attack before getting a big army because microing is impossible.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51722 Posts
March 26 2011 19:14 GMT
#2033
John Lennon fighting!!!!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2034
QXC beasting with good drops.
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2035
qxc doing the damage
I have no quote!
ndrew!
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland87 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2036
Guys just STFU about MVP having 2 second delays , I think you have no idea about what are you talking about. With 2 second delays you wouldnt be friggin able to do 50% of the gameplay MVP proved he can do.
Yes, lag probably made it hard for MVP to micro, but it wasnt fucking micro that won Adel that game.
It was decisions, and throwing MVP off with that upg heavy style.
GET OVER IT PLEASE AND ENJOY THE TSL3
WingEn
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2037
On March 27 2011 04:11 Inflexion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:07 Apollonius wrote:
To those QQing about lag:

1) MvP's unit combination was just not sufficient.
2) for some of game 2 and almost all of game 1, Adelscott was at a MACRO advantage
3) just because Adelscott is used to the lag from EU-NA does not mean that it is unfair for MvP: Adel just took time to play on lag settings for practice, and if MvP did the same, he would be fine too. I can't make a statement about comparing lag from EU>NA and KR>NA, though, but guys:

If a foreigner loses, you attribute it to Korean skill
If a foreigner wins, you attribute it to lag.

While this may or may not be the case, you are being a little bland in your judgment. So many other factors affect game strength, such as sleepiness, fatigue, focus, unit composition, etc. To give the foreigners no credit for a unique unit comp or thought process or to downplay the koreans for MAKING MISTAKES, as any human is prone to do, is simply unfair.



Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:08 DdoRo wrote:
ok, I talked to both koreans and european players about the lag issue.
there is almost no lag for EU players playing on the NA server, but Koreans actually have alot more latency than it seems they have.

two days ago, I tried to play with my korean friend on the NA server for 2s.
he was complainin alot about lag, he's forcefield went down like 1.5sec after he actually put it down

Also, in oGsMC's interview for TSL, he mentioned he went for colossi+void ray just to 1a, because he couldn't micro vs Ciara. Also, boxer and his gf mentioned about lag.


Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:22 FXOpen wrote:
Guys you are talking about delay in seconds.... Let me put it into perspective.

When I was in Korea, ping to NA was 310-410 ms.

Accordingly to someone close to me in korea, since the japan earthquake its now almost double that.

I dont know what the seconds delay or whatever would be... I guess it would depend. But i'd say it effects those micro based players.


Not taking anything away from Adelscott's win. He played amazing. But the quotes from Ddoro and FXOpen is definitely food for thought.


THis
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2038
2 sided harass - hes moving to 2stargates to help combat that
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Mitsuwa
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2039
God, Qxc would be scary to play against
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
March 26 2011 19:15 GMT
#2040
On March 27 2011 04:11 Inflexion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:07 Apollonius wrote:
To those QQing about lag:

1) MvP's unit combination was just not sufficient.
2) for some of game 2 and almost all of game 1, Adelscott was at a MACRO advantage
3) just because Adelscott is used to the lag from EU-NA does not mean that it is unfair for MvP: Adel just took time to play on lag settings for practice, and if MvP did the same, he would be fine too. I can't make a statement about comparing lag from EU>NA and KR>NA, though, but guys:

If a foreigner loses, you attribute it to Korean skill
If a foreigner wins, you attribute it to lag.

While this may or may not be the case, you are being a little bland in your judgment. So many other factors affect game strength, such as sleepiness, fatigue, focus, unit composition, etc. To give the foreigners no credit for a unique unit comp or thought process or to downplay the koreans for MAKING MISTAKES, as any human is prone to do, is simply unfair.



Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:08 DdoRo wrote:
ok, I talked to both koreans and european players about the lag issue.
there is almost no lag for EU players playing on the NA server, but Koreans actually have alot more latency than it seems they have.

two days ago, I tried to play with my korean friend on the NA server for 2s.
he was complainin alot about lag, he's forcefield went down like 1.5sec after he actually put it down

Also, in oGsMC's interview for TSL, he mentioned he went for colossi+void ray just to 1a, because he couldn't micro vs Ciara. Also, boxer and his gf mentioned about lag.


Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:22 FXOpen wrote:
Guys you are talking about delay in seconds.... Let me put it into perspective.

When I was in Korea, ping to NA was 310-410 ms.

Accordingly to someone close to me in korea, since the japan earthquake its now almost double that.

I dont know what the seconds delay or whatever would be... I guess it would depend. But i'd say it effects those micro based players.


Not taking anything away from Adelscott's win. He played amazing. But the quotes from Ddoro and FXOpen is definitely food for thought.


People need to read this. For real.
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