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TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:10:11
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1901
adelscott vs MC :O

edit: would be cool matchup
coLCruncher fighting!
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1902
On March 27 2011 04:07 Darneck wrote:
MVP did NOT lose his marine due to lag, he wasn't looking at it. The marine didn't even try to run away or anything even after he was surrounded, he never issued the order for the marine to retreat.



Sure, he lost both his marine and reaper to probe because he wasn't looking at them... even though he is a EX BW pro, and a GSL champion, he wasn't able to mutlitask SCV production and marine harass.... got to be fucking kidding me huh?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:10:19
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1903
On March 27 2011 04:06 B00ts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:02 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Adelscott floating 2k ressources and winning because MVP is unable to kite the Zealots.



Not sure if this post was to blame lag or skill for not being able to kite... but just in case anyone else has forgotten... u can't kite zealots anymore (at least for one hit anyway).... yay patch.


You can still kite them, they are just guaranteed to hit if you are fleeing them without attacking. If you are attacking and kiting it still works as before.

On March 27 2011 04:08 B00ts wrote:
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On March 27 2011 04:06 Kazzabiss wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:05 Node wrote:
I love how many people's immediate reaction is to shit all over Adelscott's accomplishment. Why are you so offended that MVP lost?

Because it was an unfair game because of all the lag.
If it was on an equal playing field and Adel won then people wouldn't be saying that



I don't want to be a jerk... but it has been said a million time they played on NA... Yes EU might have an easier time on NA than KR players... but i doubt its as big a deal to result in an 0-2 in the fashion that it did happen.


Go look for Ddoro's post in the FXOpen thread on the issue from someone who's a semipro, he makes it very clear that the difference from Na/EU and NA/Korea is absolutely huge
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1904
On March 27 2011 04:08 happyness wrote:

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On March 27 2011 04:01 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:
This game is ridiculous. Seriously. Adelscott with the worst macro and wins.It's fucking ridiculous.


Uhhhhh, how is his macro bad? His money stays low and he gets ahead economically of Mvp......

His money was regularly over 1k after the first major battles in both games.
CWL
Profile Joined January 2011
United States222 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1905
Are you guys kidding? Nexus first should have been torn apart by early aggression. If MVP could properly micro, he would have been able to snipe most of Adel's harvesters and severely cripple him.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:09:41
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1906
MVP had lag, that was obvious, but those games weren't lost by lag. Perhaps without lag MVP could have won a game, not sure, but Millennium.Adelscott just played brilliantly.

Anyway go QXC now \o/
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1907
On March 27 2011 04:06 Binabik wrote:
It's really strange that MVP didn't have a good response to the 15 Nexus.
You can either go for a 2-Racks All In which is undefendable for the Protoss or (because of the spawn location) cut the Marine and get the Reaper out super fast (then it'd have killed 6/7 Probes instead of 3 and the game would've been evened out.


Yeah, it's very strange. I have close to 100% winrate vs nexus first There are quite a few good allins that are close to an autowin.
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KingisKong
Profile Joined September 2010
United States15 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1908
QXC is with FXO now? What happened there?
Forever dancing with the GrooGrux King ☮
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1909
It wasn't due to the lag, for the love of fuck stop whining about it already. Koreans are mortals, they CAN lose.

holy shit, enough already.
We make signature, then defense it.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1910
On March 27 2011 04:07 Apollonius wrote:
To those QQing about lag:

1) MvP's unit combination was just not sufficient.
2) for some of game 2 and almost all of game 1, Adelscott was at a MACRO advantage
3) just because Adelscott is used to the lag from EU-NA does not mean that it is unfair for MvP: Adel just took time to play on lag settings for practice, and if MvP did the same, he would be fine too. I can't make a statement about comparing lag from EU>NA and KR>NA, though, but guys:

If a foreigner loses, you attribute it to Korean skill
If a foreigner wins, you attribute it to lag.

While this may or may not be the case, you are being a little bland in your judgment. So many other factors affect game strength, such as sleepiness, fatigue, focus, unit composition, etc. To give the foreigners no credit for a unique unit comp or thought process or to downplay the koreans for MAKING MISTAKES, as any human is prone to do, is simply unfair.

As Jinro said, when you're experiencing lag, you try to go for much different strategies/mindset than normal. As in, you will feel at a disadvantage from the start, doing either all-ins or playing way to safe, not like a normal standard Mvp
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Redmo
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland14 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1911
obvious lag is obvious
they have to fix it or koreans stop play on tsl....
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:11:09
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1912
I can understand how people are praising adel he did play well and always had excellent upgrades but it's an undeniable fact that lag plays a huge factor in decision making and bad decsisions on the basis of lag is really bad.
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Creighton
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:11:48
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1913
Everyone claiming Korean players far exceed players from anywhere else are looking mighty silly right about now. Two of the four GSL Champions knocked out in the first round so far, and if Nestea loses than I would giggle at the thought of GSL being the most prestigious tournament in the world (especially since both other GSL champions that lost have been defeated rather soundly with 0-2's).

I like a lot of the Koreans, oGsMC and MVP.Genius being my two favorite players, but I would love to see the non-Koreans show that Korea is no longer the stongest country at Starcraft.

EDIT IN: They also already addressed the lag issue. The NA server holds at most 100-latency difference for Europe and Korea. Any professional can lose to another, being from Korea doesn't make you three times better than any other professional out there. ;p
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Combine
Profile Joined July 2010
United States812 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1914
On March 27 2011 04:08 LittLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:00 bLuR wrote:
MYYYY BRAAAACKEETTTTTTT!

Read in golum's voice

Oh god, now I'm going to subconsciously read it in golums voice every time I see someone say it now.
(ಥ_ಥ)
WingEn
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1915
Useless discussion about lag and I shall stop it for myself because I find it pointless.

Let's observe the other Korean's play quality and then we can more accurately deduce whether lag was a the main factor there.

I'd say it's time.

Oh and, the last time I saw Cella playing on NA server, his lag was HORRIBLE. Just saying.

holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1916
For everyone complaining about lag, they played on the Korean server then the European server. So how is that unfair? Adel just outplayed MVP fair and square.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1917
On March 27 2011 04:07 kratos-23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:06 Aelfric wrote:
Yeah from now on it seems like whenever korean lose it'll be cuz of lag... Seriously sorry guys but mvp played really bad.

hey played bad cuz of lag.

That was not was cost him the game, poor decision making/strategy did
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1918
On March 27 2011 04:07 Kommander wrote:
If MVP lost because of lag, how come MC had an easy time against Ciara? If lag was a factor then MC surely would've lost. If I remember correctly, in game 2, MC still had impeccable force field placement despite the "lag" that people are complaining about.


Because Ciara played so terrible. He couldn't even hold off a 3gate expand pressure and MC rolled him.

Morrow and Dimaga in that position would've.
Muffel
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany137 Posts
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1919
its always the same on TL
if a korean loses it has to be HUGE lag and the korean had to play without a keyboard while listening to justin bieber
Cox:"I suppose I could riff a list of things that I care as little about as our last week together. Lemme see, uhh [...] Oh! And Hugh Jackman." J.D.: Hugh Jackman's Wolverine! How dare he.
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:10:12
March 26 2011 19:09 GMT
#1920
The right way to think about lag is like surface type in tennis. Low latency play favours different actions from online play. The player who wins is the player who makes the right decisions, taking latency into account as one of many factors. Adelscott made the right decisions many times over.
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