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On March 27 2011 04:03 ZeraToss wrote: hahah love it how they say : "he didnt play well blabla" man adel just destroyed him, he is better, remember that mvp is code a and he isnt good at tvp when he wins gsl he pretty much faces only T and Z and he's a true boss of TvZ and TvT. But he continue losing to basically every protoss :/
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On March 27 2011 04:00 bLuR wrote: MYYYY BRAAAACKEETTTTTTT! Read in golum's voice
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I am expecting a lot of reapers
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if any of you whiners had tried playing or seen someone play between kr-us you would know that the lag isn't bad at all; it's obviously higher than normal but not even close to being so bad you can't control your units. Adelscott played sick and mvp had bad decisions, the better player won.
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On March 27 2011 04:06 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:05 Node wrote: I love how many people's immediate reaction is to shit all over Adelscott's accomplishment. Why are you so offended that MVP lost? Because it was an unfair game because of all the lag. If it was on an equal playing field and Adel won then people wouldn't be saying that
I don't want to be a jerk... but it has been said a million time they played on NA... Yes EU might have an easier time on NA than KR players... but i doubt its as big a deal to result in an 0-2 in the fashion that it did happen.
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![[image loading]](http://www.image-share.com/upload/572/201.jpg) Well done Adelscott, I bet you've got some fine coaching.
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On March 27 2011 04:07 Darneck wrote: MVP did NOT lose his marine due to lag, he wasn't looking at it. The marine didn't even try to run away or anything even after he was surrounded, he never issued the order for the marine to retreat. its ridiculous how after such an epic game people are complaining about 1 marine that possibly could have done some more damage against that nexus shields in the first 5 minutes of the game.
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On March 27 2011 04:06 Spacekyod wrote: MVP may not have been able to micro as well as he normally could, but his decision making was terrible. IIRC, he did great taking out adel's nexus at his 4th, but then he kept trying to engage at his main/nat. WTF!? They were even supply once that nexus went down with mvp even a little ahead, but then instead of continuing economic harrass he throws his army away trying to destroy meaningless buildings at the main/nat. Especially while adel was no longer making colossus.
I noticed this as well. Even if he had slower micro and reactions, he still could have kept on top of upgrades, tech, and map management. Goody makes it work in his games =)
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I don't know why everyone's panties are in a bunch. These results are sooo disappointing. To see latency/lag/delay be the deciding factor of the matches is so wrong and devalues the TSL and any online international tournament.
15 expand vs MVP? That's clearly abusing the latency. If MVP could actually micro, that game would've been over right then and there with a quick 2rax kill. At least Adelscott had a clear understanding of how to abuse the delay, but for people to actually think this is some measure of skill... please.
LAN events like IEM with fair competition and no delay factors clearly show how much better koreans are.
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yea MVP's micro seemed awful, I never saw him doing a proper stutter step something he is quite good at on his own server. and that reaper it was painful to watch him micro it with the lag he could have killed 6-7 probes no problem. I dunno lag wasnt the only reason he lost obviously but i think he could have taken the series without it.
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On March 27 2011 04:05 ZXRP wrote: To all complaining about the lag, remember it was the same for both players.
AdelScott probably play on the NA server alot for tournaments etc so he practises with it. MVP only play on the Korean server with 0 lag.
How is that the same for both players?
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On March 27 2011 04:07 Durp wrote: Go through ANY MVP game and find a reaper or marine getting probe surrounded.
That doesn't happen, ever. Those that say lag played no issue, to both or neither, is ridiculously uninformed.
Not to mention as a protoss player Terran obviously requires much more battle micro.
I loved Adelscott's play, but watching that game I would never, EVER take that style into a lagless game.
I think lag played a huge role indeed, being beind by 3 upgrades is very hard to overcome when you have lag.
Jesus people are always trying to make excuses.
Adel has beaten MVP. Accept it.
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Does it really matter what effect lag had on the game? We just watched a sick series. Have fun and enjoy. TSL isn't about "Who we think should win", it's about epic clashes with massive upsets,drama,epicness.
Now stop crying about how your preconceived notions just got shattered and how epic FXOqxc vs MVP.Genius is going to be!
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Good thing IM.MVP lost, he was playing like trash. Barely upgrading units, barely made ghosts, lost to gateway units.
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On March 27 2011 04:05 aoe2fan wrote: Koreans who always play on the korean server probably never experience lag. So this might aswell have been the first time MVP played with some major lag. Could throw your game of quite a bit.
Still were well played by Adel
So he never trained really for this game?
For me it sounds a little arrogant if the koreans aren't used to lag at all. That's a bad excuse. They obviously could train a little on NA Server, just to get used to the lag. But i don't know if that is the case and if the Koreans really didn't train on NA Server. But it is still no excuse, if they would want to do very well in TSL they just should train for the circumstances, and that is with Lag.
Also MVP was 1 Base behind nearly every time in both games. That has nothing to do with Lag.
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Can people who make unoriginal whiny posts about lag (which make up 90% of this thread) get a warning pleaz? The thead is unreadable.
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On March 27 2011 04:07 kratos-23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:06 Aelfric wrote: Yeah from now on it seems like whenever korean lose it'll be cuz of lag... Seriously sorry guys but mvp played really bad. hey played bad cuz of lag.
He didn't really play bad. He made a few bad decisions, but Adel played amazing and outplayed him. Lag had nothing to do with the loss. Adel played beautifully had everything to do with the loss.
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Adel had more bases, more units, better upgrades. that wins games yo
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Guys, I think we have to stop the tournament... I just figured something out... we can't let this go on....
... some people have lag!!
Stop making up excuses for your favourite players. You're the lowest kind of fanboys if you do that. Be strict with your stars. Demand performance. Don't just lap their shit up.
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