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On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.
your so smart, wish i had your intuition and vista.
why dont you just shut it?
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On February 12 2011 03:48 Gridlock wrote:
In usual ignorant British way, I can't speak or understand a word of German.
The Khalor stream is funny because to me it sounds like this....
"Ichez veen diffalackalack JAILBREAK THE FLASH sminer leeth kanz kanz reighter ANDROID FOR THE WIN!! dotchen slanglang voya ledy DAY NINE DAILY FUNDAY MONDAY..."
I don't mean offence, I'm an ignorant English only speaker.
Would be pretty impressive if you just magically understood German without having studied it :D
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On February 12 2011 03:49 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:47 GP wrote:On February 12 2011 03:44 Holgerius wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear.  But Flash has huge flaws in his game play, I'm not surprised! :D If you manage to point out obvious flaws in his play you're a genius. XD
Just joking, ha.
Better luck next time Sjow, you're one of the best, don't let it get you down.
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Nazgul, I'm kind of curious if you just like Sjow or if you truly rate him so highly as a player? You always spring to his defense and yet you didn't bat an eye when ChickenLips called Darkforce a "plain bad player"
Certainly sjow has been consistent and very successful and as such deserves some respect, but I just can't see his style being viable in the long term and it's even disappointing that kind of style is still viable, especially considering his mechanics aren't very good either.
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On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it.  SjoW
Well there are others with slightly better resumes so
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On February 12 2011 03:51 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:47 nihlon wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay He said most consistent not best. Those aren't necessarily the same. he said both xd i know that its not the same. when we talk about consistent euros i rather think of kas or white-ra for example but well if you like someone you defend him eventually and everyone has its own opinion
Ah I missed the "best."
Whitera has hardly been the most consistent player depending on what scope we are talking about. Since release absolutely no. And Kas over Sjow? You would lose that poll.
I'm not saying Sjow is the best or the most consistent, but your sarcasm towards people that do is just plain weird.
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On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it. SjoW
i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro.
just trust me.
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Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
Whenever I hear the comparison between poker and starcraft I always think of the day[9] quote something in the lines of.. "You go up against a marine with your battlecruiser and you lose. Variance, what can you do?" :D
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On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay
Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals.
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On February 12 2011 03:53 syllogism wrote:
Nazgul, I'm kind of curious if you just like Sjow or if you truly rate him so highly as a player? You always spring to his defense and yet you didn't bat an eye when ChickenLips called darkforce a "plain bad player"
Certainly sjow has been consistent and very successful and as such deserves some respect, but I just can't see his style being viable in the long term and it's even disappointing that kind of style is still viable, especially considering his mechanics aren't very good either.
he likes him i guess because he defends him the whole day in this thread.or is sjow the next TL-Player? xd
but dont say anything he doesnt want to hear otherwise you are being blocked.*smile*
User was temp banned for this post.
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O shit I'm late to the party. WTF sjow man. Just when I start becoming interested in you, you lose T.T
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On February 12 2011 03:54 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it. SjoW i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro. just trust me. wtf dude, stop digging ><
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On February 12 2011 03:54 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it. SjoW i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro. just trust me.
So the other guy provides sources and your response is "no lol trust me"? Nice.
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I love listening to casters that aren't speaking English because of:
"blah blah blah STIMPACK blah blah blah MAURADER blah blah blah"
But seriously, is there not a German word for stimpack or marauder? These are not specific examples, but you get the point.
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On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<.
I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny.
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On February 12 2011 03:57 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:54 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it. SjoW i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro. just trust me. So the other guy provides sources and your response is "no lol trust me"? Nice.
But he's watching every single EU tourney, didn't you read ? So he obviously knows.
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I think SjoW is overrated. Sure he's won alot of tournaments, but he doesnt really stand out as much as others do : /
I think people like TLO/WhiteRa are better atm. Atleast they seem better to me. Obviously he doesnt deserve to get knocked out in the groupstage, i guess he was just on tilt from the Sein games or something.
But it seems as if he's better vs good player than vs bad players, if that makes any sense. I've seen him lose to alot of "ok" players, not just this tournament.
Anyways, HuK or TLO is gonna win the whole thing for sure Mayyybe even Tyler.
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Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
Well your point was good this is a pretty bad comparison. There are players with over 90% win rates in some matchups, you would never see those kinds of numbers in poker.
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Don't feed the trolls. Sjow probably underrated the difficulty of the tournament, the guys who beat him are both very good players and SC2 has a very low skill ceiling compared to SCBW or WC3, it's obvious that if you don't play your best you are going to lose to people much less accomplished than you.
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On February 12 2011 03:57 Neo.NEt wrote:
I love listening to casters that aren't speaking English because of:
"blah blah blah STIMPACK blah blah blah MAURADER blah blah blah"
But seriously, is there not a German word for stimpack or marauder? These are not specific examples, but you get the point.
you should look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192299 this thread 
There probably are, but look, Khaldor is even using the english sc2 client (so do i since beta)
people watch day9, people watch gsl, people read TL, it's a international community and everyone actively following sc2 knows all the terms, pretty much everywhere you'll look
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